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Prospective Free State Wyoming (FSW) Members and Interested Parties => Prospective Free State Wyoming (FSW) Members and Interested Parties => Topic started by: Republicrat on May 20, 2006, 04:49:56 AM
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I found this on another relocation/survivalist forum. I know many people have relocated WY and I'm just wondering if you feel the below statement is accurate. I have lived in the East and the West and definitely saw this type of stuff at least mildly a lot more in the West. I'm currently in the East and considering the move. Anyway, this is what was said:
Having grown up and having spent a considerable portion of my life in Wyoming, here is my two cents worth. What Joel wrote in his relocation book makes perfect sense as far as it goes. However, I have never heard any participants in this forum mention the following as one of the factors to weigh when considering a move to Wyoming.
A few years ago a movie starring Steve McQueen entitled ?Tom Horn? was released. I recommend that everyone considering a move to Wyoming watch that movie at least twice. This true story addresses a very touchy subject. There are a group of insider bullies who run the state?..everyone who lives there refer to them by various names: ?the Good Ol? Boy Network,? ?The Wyoming Mafia etc.? And even less unsavory adjectives have been used to describe this cabal. In essence, the power elite of Wyoming have formed a white collar bully entrenched network that is seamless from top to bottom. It includes the courts, law enforcement, public works employment, the educational system, lawyers and hospitals. In other words, if you think you are simply going to move there and take a ?secure? job in one of the sectors that they control, you will be sadly mistaken.
In the movie, Steve McQueen who plays the character Tom Horn is asked to clean up a nasty situation with cattle rustlers. He does an excellent job of cleaning things up until he discovers that there is also rampant political corruption in Wyoming?s establishment. The Good Ol Boy network starts to feel threatened by Tom Horn who is doing his job a little bit too well in the opinion of Wyoming Cattlemen?s Association. They become afraid that something might be traced back to them and those above them. Tom Horn always performed his job by acting on the defense, never on the offence, but unwittingly he still becomes a sacrificial lamb for the entrenched powers that be who are all too eager to project their sins on this Johnny come lately "outsider." They feign victimhood, and commence laying traps and snares to discredit him and to eliminate him. This pattern has been repeating itself thousands of times throughout the history of the state. In fact, here is a likely scenario that might happen if you move there:
Let?s say you accept a teaching position as a way to get established in Wyoming. Here is the game they will play with you: The first week on the job someone will be assigned to check you out. They will pretend that they want to become friends with you and to get to know you better. To sum it up in a few words, they will be trying to determine if you can be assimilated into their white-collar criminal network. They will give you a "test" to pass that will usually involve ?looking the other way? while state and federal laws are routinely broken in this or that particular work place. If you resist, they will immediately target you and they will commence the process of destroying your reputation and your career. You will soon discover that you have become the scapegoat for THEIR corruption and THEIR malfeasance. It does not matter which direction you go for help, the bullies up and down the line are all in on it and in the end those who do not assimilate are eliminated from the system. Embezzling is one of their favorite past-times. They will stop at nothing if anyone tries to expose them. You can go all the way to the supreme court of Wyoming and it will not do you any good. They have been building this system up for over a hundred years now, and everyone involved in it knows what they have to do if the system is ever threatened.
It is not just that insider Wyomingites are hostile to religion. They openly accept anyone who is willing to become corrupted and assimilated into their network, but they are hostile and antagonistic towards anyone who stands for correct principles and integrity. The Wyoming cabal is an equal opportunity assimilator of innocent, God-fearing, citizens of all religions. If you are willing to throw away your moral scruples, you will never have a problem dealing with this Wyoming cabal.
If you are going to live in Wyoming, you can survive just fine if your income is not dependent on the local economy, but if it is, they have ways of choking off your income if you ever run afoul of the Wyoming Mafia. If you are good at compartmentalizing and self-justification, you should be able to fit right into this network, otherwise, stay away. Watch the movie ?Tom Horn? if you want to see the inner workings of these petty tyrants being put into practice. Steve McQueen did years of research before making the movie. All I can say is that the movie reflects current political realities, even though it was made many years ago. After all, our own ?conservative? Vice President, Dick Cheney is a product of Wyoming?s political corruption. Think about that before innocently subjecting yourself to the vicious abuse that this political system is capable of inflicting upon so called ?outsiders.? I moved back to Wyoming after being away for 20 years and thought that I would not be treated as an "outsider." I was wrong to assume that, as I lasted only two years among them. ?If you have not lived here for five generations then you are an outsider.? Wyoming residents may say this in a joking manner, but they are DEAD SERIOUS.
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SO?. What's yer point?? This is old news and has been covered by me and several others on this forum within the FSW. It's called the "Good ole Boy" network. The good ole boy network is alive and well everywhere. In fact the FSW movement is primarily just a slightly different slant on the idea. The idea being is to replace the current Wyoming old guard with a new FSW guard.
What's new with that? Or is it a problem?
Hunter
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After living in WY for 5 years, we are not so blind to think this is some perfect utopia. BUT the "good ol' boy" network is MUCH less than the towns of Missouri we lived in for 10 years. Tom grew up in one small town there and was "kicked out" of the network because he married an "outsider". So much so that his own family won't speak. The political atmosphere in WY is NOTHING compared to that.
Also to compare reality with a movie, no matter how well researched, is absurd. A movie will always exaggerate in terms of entertainment value.
Martha
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Try living in Kalifornia if you want to see REAL Tyranny in Action!
Patriot
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It's not so much the point if Wyoming indeed has such a ruling cabal,
but to name a state which 1) does not, or 2) does, but is less
worse than Wyoming's.
I think every state has insider/elite collusion, to various levels.
The more FSWers trade with each other, the more insulated they will
be from any leverage by any cabal.
Boston
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Try living in Kalifornia if you want to see REAL Tyranny in Action!
Patriot
or michigan for that matter...what Boston says is true, the good ole boy network is alive and thriving in every single state of the union, to assume otherwise is simply foolish and perhaps a bit niave, and having said that, i have to say, in my own experience, that the west in general is quite a bit more free of general oppression, simply because of, if nothing else, the less dense population (Kalifornia excepted)....if i were to lay my money down, i'd bet that the best chance to be had, in the sense of liberty, can only be found westward, at least at this point in time...im back in the east now, and its really NOT looking good for the future around here...
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Woah, I wasn't directing this at anyone, nor was I even agreeing with it. Just asking, what do you guys think about this?
Personally, I agree this is everywhere. I live in PA and there's no doubt in my mind that it is really bad here. The corruption is out of control and makes the papers often.
I only ask about WY in an effort for due diligence about a place I may move to. The originator of that post obviously felt it was worth mentioning so I was just asking about it to get some inside information on it.
The whole point of a project like FSW is to group up with like-minded folks so I realize that what really matters is who your friends are.
Anyway, although I've lived all over I'm in a fairly heavily populated area now, so I was imagining things like this matter more in a state like WY.
That being said, I've lived in CA, PA, UT, and AZ so I've seen all sorts of variations of the above.
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What do you make of the quote posted, Republicrat?
The author of the quote tells us there is "a white collar bully entrenched network that is seamless from top to bottom. It includes the courts, law enforcement, public works employment, the educational system, lawyers and hospitals."
Later, the writer tells us, "They will give you a "test" to pass that will usually involve ?looking the other way? while state and federal laws are routinely broken in this or that particular work place."
Rather than use a scene from my past to illustrate my naivete, let's assume I am that, and allow for this question that bothers me about the quote:? Assuming laws are routinely broken in these high-profile occupations, what laws are being broken?
I too am looking at Wyoming.? I've also lived in other states and while I experienced some xenophobia in Florida from the natives (there's probably more non-natives there now) I didn't get a chance to rub elbows with lawyers, doctors, schoolteachers, and the public works crew.? I was too busy making a living along with the rest of the riffraff in their Fords and Chevrolets and the obstacles I found were more personal.?
Our school systems are busy correcting this with their anti-bullying campaign.? I expect the state to mandate that worker's compensation companies begin to cover hurt feelings at work, any day now.? ?Being self-employed, I can't tell you how many hours are lost due to hurt feelings. I checked with my work comp carrier and they aren't covering hurt feelings, as yet.? ?Personally, all bets are off when the state jumps on the bully campaign with both barrels.
The quote talks about a Joel and his relocation book.? Do you know who Joel is and what the title of this book may be?? Thank you.
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Here's the deal.
Wyoming is a transition state. People in, people out.
Miners, oilfield, railroad, ranch, summer service workers and now FSW's.
Each group has or will have its own tight knit group. Cops hang with cops, miners with miners, agriculture with agriculture etc-etc. Human nature.
As a freedom lovin 4 wheeler-gun owning hunter & eater of meat political conservative, I don't hang with tree huggin greeny PeTa vegan liberals and they sure as he11 don't want to hang with me, eh?
So, izzat what you were talkin bout? ?:D
Hunter
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Pete, we gotta love ya when you talk so ... gruff. Can we get a hug? Will ya hug my shi tsu?
Comments from everyone on this thread are 'accurate'. Croniism is human nature - we all want to hang out with people who provide us with some community - even Pete's willing to be our curmudgeon, just so we can get a high-risk hug now and then. The "five generations" metric is standard everywhere - Salisbury, North Carolina; Marblehead, Taxachewsits; surfers on the west coast; miners in Idaho; railroaders. At the First Jamboree Fran said to another gunner who was particularly precise in an El Presidente go-round, "I want YOU to be MY neighbor!" That's the kind of insiderism I want to cultivate.
So, YES, this IS Wyoming, America, Earth. We may as well get good at it: populate Wyoming with individuals of demonstrably ethical character who peacably co-exist as reasonable neighbors for the goals of political liberty, free trade, and voluntary cooperation. (Solid ring to it, BTP!)
Lex
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The quote talks about a Joel and his relocation book. Do you know who Joel is and what the title of this book may be? Thank you.
The book is entitled "Strategic Relocation," and it's written by a man named Joel Skousen. I own a copy which I've gone through a couple of times, and I can tell you that I consider it an excellent reference.
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I spent the last 20 years in the medical profession - RN - and in California, so I'm pretty familiar with the "game." I would never play the game, so was never acceptable to the "powers that be," and glad of it. I just did my little job and kept out of their way as much as possible. I lost a few jobs because I wouldn't "play nice," but nurses were in such demand that it never mattered much and I did my job so well that they had little leverage..
I've been in Wyoming now for almost two months, and love every minute of it. Lots of local people ask me why I came here, and I love their big smiles when I say that I feel I've "come home," and tell them my father was born and raised in the Dakota territories in the late 1800s. I've felt nothing but welcome and accepted, so far anyway. My neighbors have both come over to introduce themselves and offer their help! That's something you'll never see in California.
I don't expect to be accepted totally as a Wyomingite right away. I don't accept people as friends until I get to know them and feel comfortable with their character, so I don't know why anyone else would do otherwise. I expect to spend a while being a good neighbor, demonstrating integrity and self-responsibility before I'm accepted. Those who are not impressed with that and wish to remain strangers have every right to do so.
Let's build on that, folks. I don't know if we can do anything about the "Good old boys club" in the long run, but a good place to start is stay OUT of their game and live free as we can, building OUR reputation with our neighbors. I don't see how we can lose that way.
MamaLiberty
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Pete, we gotta love ya when you talk so ... gruff.? Can we get a hug?
Will ya hug my shi tsu?
That's a dawg right?
Sure, I like dawgs, I'd hug you 'n' da dawg :-*
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?"even Pete's willing to be our curmudgeon"
I'm a what? :o
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;) :D
Hunter
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My take on the long quote that started this thread, is that its writer (not its poster Republicrat) probably took a bite out of Wyoming, failed in his attempt, and is looking for someone to blame.
Anybody whose life events reach their brain through a conspiracy filter will find corn-spiracies enough to stay entertained and permanently off track throughout his life.
As others have said in this thread, events such as those stated in the quote happen all around the country. I tend to blame greed, a lust for power, and laziness as the root of many of the problems that the writer says he has experienced in Wyoming during his latest bite out of the state. Those qualities are hardly unique to Wyoming.
"Five generations in the state to not be considered an outsider?" Feh. Not in the Wyoming I know. That writer just has a bad attitude, and would likely encounter the same problems in every state he lives in.
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All, My family has had experience with the good old boy stuff and with the mafia that is mentioned in the post . This was in the late 70's and by the time we got done with it we were bankrupt and had to start over. We learned alot about the dark side during those years and since then we have also learned that this is everywhere. The key is to due dilegence. Be careful who you associate with and trust in god. I am not sure if this stuff still goes on but I am sure that , in this world ,there is good and bad and I choose to be good even if that means that sometimes they take my money, my home, my stuff . At the end of the day I know were my reward is and it is not with worldly things. As a consequence of this the lord has given me two wonderful gardian angels, and because of the way I view the world I have been blessed. ( There are still things that bother me and get me down of coarse )
I spent half of my life in Wyoming and what it comes down to is the choices we make, who we associate with , our faith. I am on this forum because I see hope in it!!
Mama Liberty, I am so glad your move has brought you new freinds and good neighbors. My experience in Wyoming, other than the couple of years mentioned above, is that of people who were very helpful and friendly. I am looking forward to having any of those here as neighbors.
Miles
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Miles, you're on the right path for sure. If God is for us, who can stand against us?
We were never promised heaven on earth, but we can create something very good if we all practice what we preach. Our example of integrity, friendliness, being good neighbors and working to promote freedom and justice for everyone can't help but make a real difference in the long run.
We do reap what we sow. Do to others what you'd have them do to you - and most of the time you'll come out ahead. The few who can't live with that will suffer the consequences, not us.
One other thing to remember: What you SAY and THINK becomes your reality! If you say and think negative things all the time about yourself and your neighbors, guess what you'll find? All the negative, of course.
This doesn't mean we ignore the problems and become pollyannas! It means we see each problem as a challenge and an opportunity, looking for the silver lining and working hard to bring out the right and good instead. Then those around us will see us as positive workers for truth and justice, instead of complainers and whiners. They are much more apt to accept us as neighbors and friends then. That's always been my experience anyway.
MamaLiberty
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Hey there Pete,
You're like Ambrose Bearce, the great writer who earned a fine reputation as a straight shooter, taking out the hotair balloons of all manner of puffed-up pols. He called 'em as he saw 'em. He cut to the quick, and did so quickly. He was the no-nonsense, common-sensical genious who did not suffer fools lightly, and who was a true friend of those in genuine need.
Yeah, like a rock! Seeger and the Silver Bullet Band source material, that's you. Glad you're here!
Lex
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Well said, Miles. We do have to fight violent crime, evil, oppression, and tyranny whenever we come across it whether it be the government, real criminals, the "WY Mafia" or Satan himself. Great post!
J
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Here I go AGAIN,
IS IT BLACK & WHITE OR GREY?
I wonder how much flack I'll get on this? Quite a bit I think.
I wonder just how the folks in Crook County who're not FSW would/will feel about FSW folks if FSW fulfills BTP's dream and they become the good ole boy's of Crook County?
Will they think YOUR better than the previous good old boys? Secondly, and more importantly, will you be?
OR will you be the same ole tune with different words? Or will you be just like the old regime and not give a crap because you know what's best for them, even though you've never walked in their shoes.
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Out with the OLD in with the NEW, EVERYTHING changes but nothin changed. :o
Worth thikin about eh?
Basically it boils down to an "I'm right & they're wrong" situation and that people, is open to intense discussion by both sides and those in the middle, wherever that middle is.
Nobody is ever 100% right, nor are they ever 100% wrong.
Should FSW ever become the predominent control political group in Crook you will be looked upon as nothing more than SOS. Hilarious thought, eh?
Now,............. that's worth thinkin about!!!!!? ;)
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Hunter, your hypothetical comparison just doesn't wash with me.
If FSWers attain political power in any county, it will not
be used for purposes of graft, embezzlement, or nepotism.
That a given, I think the locals would see the difference.
Hardly Same Old Sh*t...
Boston
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If we can truly demonstrate integrity, self-responsibility and all the other roots and fuits of liberty, why does anyone have to be "in charge?"
Isn't our goal individual liberty and self-government? If our purpose is to "take over" and govern others, I want no part of it.
I don't want anyone to run my life - not even "Libertarians!"
It would seem we should want to replace the "good old boys" with absolutely nothing but individual liberty for everyone..
Power corrupts - even Libertarians. Think hard about what you plan to build. You'll have to live in it too.
MamaLiberty
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Nobody is ever 100% right, nor are they ever 100% wrong.
Such relativism is more dangerous than any corrupt politician.
It is by holding to a "right" and "wrong" that we achieve something greater than ourselves and do not simply become another animal. If we are to believe in God, there must be a right and wrong.
Comparing FSW as a dominant political power to a "Good ole boy" network is not the same thing at all. It's not that anyone is arguing that the "Good 'ole boys" are bad for having power, I assert they are bad because of the way they use their power.
That's the point of limiting the size of government, no matter how bad it gets you want to keep it small enough to manage.
As the saying goes, "a government big enough to give you anything you want, can also take away everything you have".
I get what you were saying with your post, in fact, I think I agree with the intent of your post. But the FSW is not aiming to become the next "good 'ole boys". At least, I sure hope not. ;D
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I wonder just how the folks in Crook County who're not FSW would/will feel about FSW folks if FSW fulfills BTP's dream and they become the good ole boy's of Crook County?
That probably depends on whether we can sing more songs than the theme from Rawhide and "Stand by your main" :)
Will they think YOUR better than the previous good old boys?
I have not heard all that much about the "old boys" in Crook County, but of the few people that do have an opinion, none have spoken favorably about it. It seems that most people just want to be left alone, and don't pay much attention to the "machine" unless they get caught in the gears.
Secondly, and more importantly, will you be? OR will you be the same ole tune with different words?
NO. Of course not. I have no desire or intention of joining or building a system to control or defraud other people.
As a very loose analogy, consider a peace officer apprehending a burglar. Why would anyone assume that the peace officer intends to take the burglar's place? Is it so difficult to imagine a world where people have moral character and desire justice?
Basically it boils down to an "I'm right & they're wrong" situation and that people, is open to intense discussion by both sides and those in the middle, wherever that middle is. Nobody is ever 100% right, nor are they ever 100% wrong.
Personally, I think that things are pretty good the way they are right now. If I were to get involved in politics, my main intention would probably be to preserve the way things are. Of course there are some wrongs that should be righted, and it would be right and proper to fix those. But even in clear cases, I would want to move slowly and carefully so that the "fix" does not accidentally cause other problems. It is better to leave a known devil alone for a while than to create new and unknown ones by wanting to "do something". Is my outlook an example of your "I'm right & they're wrong" accusation?
As far as I am concerned, someone who commits armed robbery is "100% wrong". Since you write that NOBODY is EVER 100% wrong, I guess we are just not going to agree on everything. That's fine, just so long as we agree on most things...
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Nobody is ever 100% right, nor are they ever 100% wrong.
I stand corrected. I used an overly broad a statement. But your analogy of my statement was flawed as my statement was FSW specific which BTW, you admit further down.
Such relativism is more dangerous than any corrupt politician.
Eh ????????? ???
It is by holding to a "right" and "wrong" that we achieve something greater than ourselves and do not simply become another animal. If we are to believe in God, there must be a right and wrong.
I too profess "Christianity", but others on this forum do not. Is their conceptual "right and wrong" different? Is believing in a God or Christ as your savior or Allah or Buddha a prerequisite to being a good Libertarian? Or is one religion simply better than another Libertarian wise? For example Baptists vs Mornans or Roman Catholics.
Comparing FSW as a dominant political power to a "Good ole boy" network is not the same thing at all.
Oh really? It is exactly the same thing, which is exactly my point. Your, my, theirs or our idea of "right or wrong" may or may not be another's idea of "right or wrong".
It's not that anyone is arguing that the "Good 'ole boys" are bad for having power, I assert they are bad because of the way they use their power.
The good ole boys by their very nature "assert" power. Good or bad depends upon ones outlook
Again, one mans treasures are another mans junk.
That's the point of limiting the size of government, no matter how bad it gets you want to keep it small enough to manage.
Agreed! No problem with that
As the saying goes, "a government big enough to give you anything you want, can also take away everything you have".
Again, Agreed!
I get what you were saying with your post, in fact, I think I agree with the intent of your post. But the FSW is not aiming to become the next "good 'ole boys". At least, I sure hope not. ;D
I too "hope not", so again Agreed. But I think my point was taken, eh? I do believe you and I are on the same page of the same book if not the exact same sentence of the paragraph :)
Hunter
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I cant stand people who complain about free states like Wyoming ...or any place that has an overwhelmingly pro-gun attitude.
You could be WAY worse. Like me, I live in the People's Republic of Neu Jerzie...
I hate this state...
If you ever want to prove a liberal an idiot, (understand, said liberal must live in a state other than NJ or CA or IL), just tell them "What....you want ALL of America to be like NEW JERSEY?!", that will more often shut them down.
Republicans in NJ, are as "Conservative" as the Socialist-Democratic Party of any country you wish to choose. NJ's Republicans are just as vehemently anti-gun as are the Democrats.
Soon as I get the money I'm waiting for, SO LONG NJ, Hope this state breaks off from America, and drifts in the ocean south of Africa, accross the Indian Ocean, and then joins its true mother China. Needless to say, NJ Residents will hail their Communist "Liberators"!
This is why I HATE The GOP. I have seen how FAKE they really are.
The Democratic Party, on the other hand, is even worse (if thats even possible, but apparently it is). Here in NJ the Democratic Party was actually under FEDERAL INVESTIGATION for criminal corruption.
They had this landmark Eminent Domain struggle, where this farm was going to be taken for "redevelopement". They were going to offer the farm owner way less than the farm was worth. The Farm owner, was obviously angered by this and did not want to give away his farm. So Governer James "I AM A GAY AMERICAN" McGreevy had a talk with the farm owner. He told him, that he would let the farm owner sell the farm for the fair market value, IF he would give a sizeable ammount of that money to the Democratic Party. This was so evil, EVEN the FBI Investigated, and was planning to do something about it.
Fortunately for McGreevy, he came out about his sexual orrientation and announced to the world "I am a Gay American" so he got all the support from the homosexual lobby. McGreevy never had to face any charges for the horrible corruption he was involved in, because then he could throw in the Homosexual Card in and yell "IM BEING DISCRIMINATED AGAINST!" No, Mr McGreevy, Your in trouble for giving an Israeli Mossad Agent (who you had relations with) a head position in the NJ Anti-Terrorist office(as well as the afformentioned corrupt charges).
NJ is a horrible state..
Whatever state your are in (unless its Komiefornia, IllumiNois, Taxachussettes, or People's Republik of the New Jerzei Polizei State), you shouln't complain. No state is perfect, and most are better than the afformentioned states.
Hopefully, soon enough I will be able to break my bonds of slavery and get enough money to move out of here. Then I will trully be able to be the freeman that Christ sought me to be!
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Interesting reading, guys & gals.
Wherever we go, regardless of where, in the US, still gonna have to deal with IRS, EPA, FAA, FCC, ATF, etc etc etc.
Corrupt politicians, bureaucrats, mean people, psychopaths, addictive personalities.
Good ol' boy network or no, this is life, so when the wife & I move in, we deal with it.
Beats any of the other alternatives we have seen so far.
Oh, yeah, and just thought I'd ;D at rhodges Blues Brothers reference, so it didn't appear to go unnoticed.
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We must always remember that utopia is NOT an option. Human nature is not going to change in the least. There will always be some people who will not be responsible for themselves, won't live with integrity, and some of those will try to steal and kill others. It is just the way things are and we must be strong to deal with it as it happens.
The idea is to take back our lives from the moochers and the aggressive, to protect ourselves from them the best we can - in mutual cooperation - and to deal honestly with everyone we meet. We can't avoid all trouble, but we can minimize it if we are diligent.
Living in a place with less government nonsense that gives power to those same moochers and aggressors really helps, but we're never going to be able to sit back and get completely comfortable, nice as that would be.
The price of liberty is integrity - and eternal vigilance.
MamaLiberty
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Interesting thread folks. Yeah,, we have some carpet baggers here. Not to worry. I hope all of us FSW folks can round up a very LARGE bucket of tar and a bag of feathers for 'em. I live in Albany county and we have lots of "feriners" from all over the world and the US. Some of them march around downtown waving the biggest blue UN flag I've ever seen along with the usual other Sandalista s@#t. I'm here in the midst of the largest gun grabbing, left wing community in the state and would sure appreciate some help ridding the place of them. b
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Albany county sounds like a very good place to get OUT of. You are not apt to change those who are already there. Why not join us in the more free parts of the state and help us to keep it that way? Don't cast your pearls before swine...
MamaLiberty
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Good advice Mamaliberty. I'm working on it. Ya gonna be at the Jam? b
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I'll be there, God willing and doesn't decide to drop a few feet of snow on us there or close the roads. It rained almost 24 hours, ending last night, and it's right cool again, so almost anything could happen, I guess. No clouds right now, but I won't hold my breath!
I have not been camping in a very long time, but have always loved to camp and am looking forward to it. I can't wait to meet so many of the good people I've "talked" with for so long.
I'll have the first aid station, so please look me up and say Howdy!
MamaLiberty
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Interesting thread, lots of good comments.
As to whether FSW is "more of the same" (Pete) or "really different" (Boston), only time will tell, eh? However if we end up being liber-good-old-boys of Crook County, at least people have a choice then who they want for their good old boys! If they like the current crowd they can be found in many other counties.
Remember that old Who song? (http://www.mattsmusicpage.com/whothe/lwontget.htm)
"...Meet the new boss...Same as the old boss"
Always something to be watched out for...
My take on the long quote that started this thread, is that its writer (not its poster Republicrat) probably took a bite out of Wyoming, failed in his attempt, and is looking for someone to blame.
Probably a lot to that. There is a whole book (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0943972736/sr=8-1/qid=1149132042/ref=sr_1_1/102-4319725-1013757?%5Fencoding=UTF8) in this vein, that seems to have been written with similar motivations.