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Prospective Free State Wyoming (FSW) Members and Interested Parties => Prospective Free State Wyoming (FSW) Members and Interested Parties => Topic started by: ZackSkrip on August 22, 2006, 10:39:57 PM
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Hey guys,
My parents came up to visit me not too long ago in WA and while they were here I let them borrow my copy of Molon Labe!. That was about 3 or 4 weeks ago. Well I get a call from them today and my mom says that my dad just finished the book (my mom read it first) and he says that he wants to have the house sold and move to Wyoming by MAY! I asked them if they were joking (alright, what I _actually_ said was a bit more terse, but that is neither here nor there? ::) ) and my dad said 'no, I want to do this for me. I would like to see that kind of freedom.' So I would like to introduce my parents, Ron and Kathy. They should be logging on soon.
They are thinking about the Cheyenne area.
Anywho, I was excited to hear about this and I thought I would share it with y'all!
Zack
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That's awesome Zack! I sure hope that they can get their house sold quickly. I wish we could get our copy back so I could read it; we're already here in WY but I'd still like to read it ;D
Way to go!
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Zack, this news has made my whole week !! I'm looking forward to talking with them soon and hope to meet them at the next JAM. Miles
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For various reasons, among which are escaping California and ending up closer to where I settle down, my parents are also looking at Wyoming. I don't have them sold on FSW yet, but my mom likes some of the country out there and dislikes a lot of the government. She liked what she saw of Lander... But she has a lot left to see, which I'll be tagging along for in September.
Anyway - welcome to YOUR parents, glad they're on the bandwagon! :)
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Zack,
That is incredible news, very pleased for you. It would be blessing if all our families would take that step and move here........if I gave my mom a copy of Molon Labe she would read about half and then try to have me committed :P
Brandy
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As Zach said, I'm ready. To much of our liberties have been eaten away like a sandwich, one bite at a time and before we knew it nothing is left. Maybe I'm getting into this too late (69 1/2) didn't know of the potential, but like walking, the first step is the most important and the most frightening.... But NOTHING is more frightening your first day at boot camp in the Marine Corps, I made it then and I'll make it now.
Looking forward to living in freedom with free people for the rest of my days.
Ron.
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As Zach said, I'm ready. To much of our liberties have been eaten away like a sandwich, one bite at a time and before we knew it nothing is left. Maybe I'm getting into this too late (69 1/2) didn't know of the potential, but like walking, the first step is the most important and the most frightening.... But NOTHING is more frightening your first day at boot camp in the Marine Corps, I made it then and I'll make it now.
Looking forward to living in freedom with free people for the rest of my days.
Ron.
As Zach said, I'm ready.? ?
Yer ready, eh? Yer leaving for here today, right?? :D
To much of our liberties have been eaten away like a sandwich, one bite at a time and before we knew it nothing is left.
I've called it the nibble-nibble effect for years?? :'(
Maybe I'm getting into this too late (69 1/2)
Why is 69 1/2 to late? 69 1/2, Izzat old?? ???
Looking forward to living in freedom with free people for the rest of my days
Cool, Great idea! What's holding ya up?? :o
See ya!
SOON?
OH Yes, WELCOME to? ~W~!!!!!
Hunter
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Good to have you on board Ron!
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Ron -
My dad isn't much younger than you (he'll be 65 next year) and he and my mom (she's 50) are about to pack up and leave CA and start over somewhere better. They own some property near Moscow, ID where I am right now, which my dad really likes, but my mom is still checking out locations in Wyoming and some other places. Wherever they end up, they plan on starting from the ground up and BUILDING a new house, shop, barn, etc. You're never to old to win yourself some more freedom - and you're only as old as you THINK you are!
Besides, what's that thing Boston said in Molon Labe about the activist types being under 30 or over 65... ;D
Welcome onboard!
Laurel
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Besides, what's that thing Boston said in Molon Labe about the activist types being under 30 or over 65... ;D
That's a very high correlation with pre and post children years, of course. The intertwined complications and responsibilities of caring for your children and/or your parents hits hard in these years. Seems like I've been in constant caregiver mode now for the past 12 or so years, with likely another 20 or so ahead of me. Hmm...just defined the gap. :)
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Dear Ron,
I moved here from California last year at the age of 59, all alone and in poor health. It was hard, and my entire family thinks I've lost my mind, but it was the best thing I ever did for myself. I've regained my health, and enjoy the blessings of liberty and this wonderful FSW family every day. The bottom line is that, no matter what your age or condition, you simply can't lose if you come determined to live free or die trying.
I want to congratulate Zack too, and offer warmest welcome for his parents. I'm so happy for you and want to do anything I can to help you or them. If they come anywhere near Newcastle, please have them stop by for a visit. I do hope they join us here on the forum so we can all get to know each other, even if we have to wait for the next "Jam" to meet in person.
MamaLiberty
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That's a very high correlation with pre and post children years, of course. The intertwined complications and responsibilities of caring for your children and/or your parents hits hard in these years.
I realized this after having a chat with my mom the other day about open carrying and other such acts of freedom. She's in mothering "You're going to get yourself shot!" mode. It kind of makes me afraid to have children (moreso than I already am ;D) as I'm concerned about losing my will to fight for what I believe in. (Mike gets the same thing from his folks - "No, it's not that I disagree with you, I think you're right, and yes I know it's your right to do it, it's just that it's not WORTH it...")
Reason I brought all that up is because it's reassuring to be here and see examples of parents that have the right mindset!
Laurel
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That's a very high correlation with pre and post children years, of course. The intertwined complications and responsibilities of caring for your children and/or your parents hits hard in these years.
I realized this after having a chat with my mom the other day about open carrying and other such acts of freedom. She's in mothering "You're going to get yourself shot!" mode. It kind of makes me afraid to have children (moreso than I already am ;D) as I'm concerned about losing my will to fight for what I believe in. (Mike gets the same thing from his folks - "No, it's not that I disagree with you, I think you're right, and yes I know it's your right to do it, it's just that it's not WORTH it...")
Reason I brought all that up is because it's reassuring to be here and see examples of parents that have the right mindset!
Laurel
Is that "No, it's not that I disagree with you..." in a script for parents somewheres? I definitely have heard the EXACT same thing. I bet it's in like, Dr. Spock or something.
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Is that "No, it's not that I disagree with you..." in a script for parents somewheres?
Not that I ever heard of, and I'm 60 years old. Seems to me that if you agree with someone, that's the end of it. Only someone with a split personality or psychosis is going to say they agree with you, and then try to talk you out of it - if they actually understand what you're talking about, of course. The idea that something you "agree with" is somehow then "not worth it," is even more psychotic.
The problem is that they probably agree with your desire to live free, but don't really have much of a clue what that means or what it takes to live that way. All you can do is try to educate them. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink.
MamaLiberty
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The problem is that they probably agree with your desire to live free, but don't really have much of a clue what that means or what it takes to live that way. All you can do is try to educate them.
I think you're right, Mama. I think a lot of that comes from the fact that they both have lived their entire lives in California, except for a few years my dad was in the Air Force. As a CA transplant yourself, I'd imagine you can understand how different it feels just to be in a freer place. That's why I could never move back now - after being in Idaho for the last three years, I've grown into the amount of freedom I have here, and to return to CA would be shoving me back into a little cage. I don't even like going back on vacation anymore!
Maybe I should give 'em a copy of Molon Labe... Worked for Ron and Kathy, right? ;D Seriously though, I think they'll change at least somewhat when they move somewhere better and realize what they've been missing out all this time. It's already happening to my dad, as I talked about over in this thread: http://www.fundamentalsoffreedom.com/fswforum//index.php?topic=2829.0.
Laurel
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General advice for getting others thinking in the right direction.
First, make sure that you have read:
-Unintended Consequences
-Molon Labe
-Enemies Foreign and Domestic
Then, decide which book would sit well with whomever you are working on and give them a copy to read, perhaps with some explanation/stage setting.
Then follow up.
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Laurel, the really weird thing is that I never really BELONGED in California. My parents moved there in 1945, the year before I was born, from Wisconsin. They were never happy with or part of the usual liberal, socialist thing. My father died when I was very young, and my mother was the greatest example one could want of someone who took personal responsibility for herself and refused to live off stolen goods. She was a libertarian, long before there was a Libertarian party, and she gave my sister and I a solid foundation in both non-aggression and integrity. She worked hard to raise us and never re-married.
Why in the world it took me almost 60 years to get out of California I'll never know, but my only regret is that I couldn't convince my two sons to come with me. They have the legacy of liberty, and understand what I'm talking about. They just have those entanglements with their own families and jobs that make them think they can't leave. I only hope it doesn't take another 20 or 30 years for them to understand where their priorities need to be.
I'm proud and happy to say that, at long last, I have truely come home... to Wyoming!
MamaLiberty
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You know, that's what is funny about my folks - they were both from the Santa Cruz area, and left there about 20 years ago in order to escape the worst of the hippies/liberals/socialists/etc. They ended up in the Sierra foothills, in a more blue-collar area but still subject to the CA laws as a whole. I don't know why they didn't just keep headed up highway 50... right out of the state! ;D
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Everyone - - - Thanks for your support. Having just retired, this is the time when one should sit back and take it easy, but I am jealous of Zack to have made "friends" with like minded people. Traveling the world for the past 7 years, (my job) I did not get to 'really' get to know both of my children, but I'm looking forward to it iin the the FREE Word - Wyoming. By April, May 2007 is our anticipated date, have a honey do list 7 years long, so I will be busy, hopefully not to exhausted to move. By then we'll have everything in storage, the house ready for sale, etc . . . . .
Ron.
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Ron, glad to have you join us. So what kinds of things do you do in your free time ? Hobbies etc. Ever been to Wyoming ? Miles
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Laurel, which part of the Sierra foothills? I used to live in Butte/Yuba counties (gold rush area).
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Hobbies, wood working - house remodeling - landscaping - more so - - fishing, I love to fish. In Illinois - well it is safer to stay indoors when hunting season is in full bloom - and once in a while, where we live, you get some Wisconsin ?hunter(s)? drifting down. Enough said - - - -
Been to Wyoming once. When Kath and I first married I was self employed as a machine designer, as such, time/clients were not to tolerant with late projects, therefore we put our honeymoon off for a later time. During the wait we both purchased motorcycles and decided to take a "trip". One of our stops was a very nice hotel in Cheyenne. Needless to say we were both covered with road grime so our appearance was less than desirable. The desk clerk told us, "sorry, we have no rooms available". However, another couple walked in and asked for and received a room (they looked 'clean'). I made a bit of a fuss, reluctantly they gave us a room (only after I offered them my AE corporate gold card).
We brought in our "duffel" bags, showered, dressed and came down for dinner. It was fun watching the expressions on the faces of those that initially refused us, Kath in a neatly pressed dress, myself in dress pants and sport coat. The following morning we paid, packed, and vowed to steer clear of the "Cowboys in Wyoming." I'm sure you can understand why, at the time we felt they should have followed - - "you can't judge a book by its cover."
I worked for an international company "moving equipment and jobs from the USA, globally". Meeting and getting to know the various cultures was very interesting. Work ethic around the world is something to behold, we had the best, but I believe _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ enters into some of our problems. I'm old enough to "know" what it was like during WWII, Korea, and Nam, but things and people changed. I won't get into the, the philosophical reasons, or at least my take on it. Another time another place.
I hunted in southern Illinois with some friends MANY years ago, haven't been since, not that it wouldn't be enjoyable, no time, toooooo busy to have fun. I intend to make a difference now that I'm retired.
See y'all next year,
Ron
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I hunted in southern Illinois with some friends MANY years ago, haven't been since, not that it wouldn't be enjoyable, no time, toooooo busy to have fun. I intend to make a difference now that I'm retired.
I didn't know you went hunting! I was just talking to a buddy today about how we should go hunting, or at the very least get some poles and go salmon fishing (he's sold on the fishing).
Heh, you learn something new about your parents every day. :D
Zack
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Laurel, which part of the Sierra foothills? I used to live in Butte/Yuba counties (gold rush area).
Placerville, in El Dorado county. It was a pretty cool place to be until it became 50% tourist trap and 50% bedroom community for the Sacramento commuters. I DON'T LIKE CITY FOLK! (I'm talking about the city mindset, any folks here who are stuck in the city but planning on heading for WY don't count, 'cause you guys have... you know... BRAINS!)
Laurel
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It kind of makes me afraid to have children (moreso than I already am Grin) as I'm concerned about losing my will to fight for what I believe in.
Yeah, but Laurel, we also need kids! :)
Ben Irvin, over on the W-A-L list, has been whacking libertarians for only having a birth rate of 1.6 or something. If we don't make more of ourselves there won't be anyone left except for a few Geritol guzzlers like me to fight the fight!
Actually, I don't guzzle Geritol - yet. :P
You will not lose your will to fight. However it is natural to tone down and run under the radar in the child-rearing years. That is as it should be. After that, you're ready to roll again! :)