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Prospective Free State Wyoming (FSW) Members and Interested Parties => Prospective Free State Wyoming (FSW) Members and Interested Parties => Topic started by: JenS on September 17, 2006, 04:55:38 PM
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I am just now learning about the state of WY, a fellow libertarian invited me here to this forum. I am not sure if WY is the place for me, but I am interested in checking it out. Thanks for all the information. Anyone know offhand how the music scene is?
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The fellow libertarian was me ;)
Glad to see you made to the forum, and like our good friend V might say....Velcome :D
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Welcome jschulz! What kind of music interests you? Do you play an instrument or sing? I'm a singer, but more in the classical style and church choir.
I don't even listen to the radio except when in the car, but have noticed that most of what is played is "country." The good thing is that some of it is the old fashioned kind, like ballads, and not all the "trucker rock" that sounds more like heavy metal.
Anyway, welcome and I hope you'll enter some of the conversation here. We'd love to be able to show you our wonderful country and welcome you in person.
MamaLiberty
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... from my recent travels I'm pretty confident in saying that you have a good variety of both types of music in Wyoming.
Country and Western...
:-) :-* ;)
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Howdy Jschulz, I believe you will find all sorts of music in Wyoming do to the fact that over the years there have been many people from other parts of the country moving there. My wife worked at a junior college there and we hung out with many of the folks who also worked there. Many played instruments. In fact I had the chance to tour the state as part of the college rock/jazz band.We also had freinds who had rock bands and we would follow them around as they played at different bars . Between the bars bringing in bands and the college bringing in acts we enjoyed a wide range of music.. The University brings in the "bigger" bands and I have attended every event from classical orchestras to big band, jazz to punk, and depending on where you live, you can always make a trip to Denver or Salt lake City. If you play yourself ,you can always find others to jam with or start your own group. As you travel through Wyoming the radio stations fade in and out and so you have to keep changing the stations to get the tunes you like. And there is always satellite.
Have you ever been to Wyoming? Plan on making a trip out to next years Jam and check it all out. Miles
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To the east of Crook County, in the Black Hills of South Dakota the music scene ROCKS! There are lots of bands covering most types of music. Deadwood SD has between 6-8 bands playing in the bars every weekend. Saloon #10 has the best of the best rock, indie, alt rock, etc. Spearfish, Sturgis, and Rapid City, SD all are part of the scene. I havent been to Gillette, Wyo for a while, but with the boom in the energy industry, I'm pretty sure that there are bands playing there every weekend, too. Probably mostly country.
You can stream X-rock ?www.xrock.fm ?to get an idea about the rock scene here.
Also check out the Sturgis Rally line-up. It is awesome!!! http://www.sturgis-rally.com/index.html
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Kes, I'm glad you mentioned So.Dak. Most of my cousins live over there and I remember visiting them and going out at night enjoying an amazing amount of music. Miles
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When I was in Sheridan a couple years ago there were many signs in shop windows promoting a concert in Billings by Rza.
Deadwood has lots of concerts.
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Yes, bless you Jed for sharing. ;)
I am not fond of country or hip-hop. I like a lot of different rock "formations" so to speak. It is my dream one day to own a music venue among other things. So sure, even if there isn't much we can make our own scene and infiltrate the country. >:D Ha ha. Thanks for responding.
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No, I have not been to WY yet.
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The Gillette radio station is running ads for "Iron Butterfly" at Jake's. On-A-Gada-Davita Baby!
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Dear Friends,
Here is a really good idea from this jschulz person. Extraordinary.
In her detailed analysis of 19th Century libertarian utopian communities, Wendy McElroy pointed out some of the consistent themes. One thing that makes such communities work, and that was in common amongst all the ones that lasted more than a year, is having a community money. Those communities which coined their own money from gold and silver lasted the longest, it seems. (Mucho kudos to Ken for minting FSW silver pieces!)
Another very important thread is having a community meeting hall. Again, the communities which lasted the longest were the ones where everyone took at least one meal a day together. Having a big barn or other building where everyone could get together and sit and talk is apparently really important, even if there is absolutely no organization to this gathering. People form their own agendas, get together, mill around, etc. What is important is to have a place where people meet.
In the context of FSW, I think part of what has made it so successful - with the nice doubling rate at the jamborees - is that the jamborees are a gathering of everyone in the group, as many as can make it.
What hasn't come up for me is any way to generate a location in Wyoming that people would go to have meetings of everyone. I had been thinking in terms of an auditorium at one of the classroom facilities the Sovereigns of the High Frontier Society is building. (News on that topic in another thread, by the way. We just got a major donor!)
But, what jschulz has suggested is a music venue. A place where people would go to hear live bands would, necessarily, have room for a large audience. (And a dance floor. You can see where I'd like that, if you came to the costume party earlier this month.) It would also be a profitable venture, if there were some decent booking agent involved. I suppose there would be a liquor license to sell booze, as Wyoming isn't that libertarian, yet. But, there's lots of money in gate and drinks and souvenirs. There may be a significant venue in Jackson Hole, and there may be concert halls of some sort in Casper or Cheyenne. Certainly the Casper Events Center is the city socialist answer to every event that needs a venue.
Having the idea and making it work are not the same thing. But, a good outdoor amphitheater, like Theater Under the Stars in Houston, might work. For year 'round action, a large indoor venue would be wanted, as concerts don't work well with frozen audiences. ;-P
Anyway, there might be a business plan in to this idea. Something to ponder. Hmmmm. <strokes beard> Hmmm.
Regards,
Jim
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The Gillette radio station is running ads for "Iron Butterfly" at Jake's. On-A-Gada-Davita Baby!
That would be:
"In the Garden of Eden, baby,
In the Garden of Eden, honey,
Don't you know that I'm lovin' you.
Oh, won't you come with me
And take my hand
Oh, won't you come with me
And walk this land
Please take my hand
In the Garden of Eden honey
Don't you know that I'm lovin' you
In the Garden of Eden, baby
Don't you know that I'll always be true."
"The truth (according to the liner notes on 'the best of' CD compilation) is that drummer Ron Bushy was listening to the track through headphones, and couldn't hear correctly; he simply distorted what Doug Ingle answered when Ron asked him for the title of the song." Another version has Ingle drunk when he said the title, and Bushy wrote down what he thought was said. Later, they looked at what Bushy had written, laughed, and used that for the title. See en.wikipedia.org for answers to other Iron Butterfly trivia.
There was, for a time, a radio station in Kansas City that had an official policy. Any disc jockey who played "In-A-Gadda-da-Vida" would be fired. For my own part, I like hearing the song every other decade or so. <smile>
Regards,
Jim
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Jim,
In the context of FSW, I think part of what has made it so successful - with the nice doubling rate at the jamborees - is that the jamborees are a gathering of everyone in the group, as many as can make it.
So if I understand this correctly, you are saying we can quadruple every year if we hold two jamborees?
Also, can you provide the lyrics to "Louie Louie?"
PaulWy
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A music festival is a great idea.
We might want to schedule it around/during the July rodeo, to take
advantage of all the extra Wyoming visitors.
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Our online forum is partially an interim measure of virtual community
until local nodes become established.
Our Jamborees serve also in somewhat of the same capacity.
I don't know if holding them 2x/year will quadruple our #s, though.
More frequent gatherings would certainly further cement the #s we have.
Boston
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Dear Paul Wy,
No, I was not suggesting that two jamborees per year would cause quadrupling. I was saying that gatherings are important to fostering successful communities, and that we seem to be on an excellent track. Community money is also a good thing, to keep people in touch with each other economically.
Yes, I think a music festival would be a great thing.
Now, I can provide you with the lyrics to Louie Louie, but I cannot make you believe that these are the lyrics. <grin>
Regards,
Jim
Louie, Louie
Oh no, me gotta go.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, said, ah
Louie, Louie
Oh, baby, me gotta go.
A fine little girl she waits for me
Me catch a ship for cross the sea.
Me sail that ship all alone
Me never think how I make it home.
Ah, Louie, Louie
No, no, no, no, me gotta go.
Oh, no.
Said, Louie, Louie
Oh, baby, said we gotta go.
(indistinct yell in the background)
Three nights and days I sail the sea
Think of girl, oh, constantly.
Ah, on that ship I dream she there
I smell the rose, ah, in her hair.
Ah, Louie, Louie
Oh, no, sayin' we gotta go.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but, ah,
Louie, Louie
Oh, baby, said, we gotta go.
[Yelled] Okay, let's give it to 'em
right now! [instrumental]
Me see Jamaica, ah, moon above.
It won't be long, me see me love.
Take her in my arms again,
I got her; I'll never leave again.
Ah, Louie, Louie
Oh, no, sayin' me gotta go.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
But, ah, Louie, Louie
Oh, baby, said, ah, we gotta go.
I said we gotta go now,
Let's get on outta here.
[Yelled] Let's go.
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Jim, another possible venue for meetings and music are grange halls. Some towns still have these things around, and I think they were used just the same way you mentioned, as places for people to get together. Probably pretty cheap to rent, too.
I think we ought to also look at the rendezvous (rendezvouses? :) ) for alternate places and times to have informal, mini-FSW get-togethers.
As to music, yeah, it is Christian stations and Country/Western. Although one day in the car near Lusk, of all places, I heard "Walk on the Wild Side"! :o At least I think that is the name of that song... And Cody has a station that plays classic (as in ancient) rock.
A radio station offering a little variety (and a pro-freedom viewpoint) is another thing FSW should have.
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Jim, another possible venue for meetings and music are grange halls. ... A radio station offering a little variety (and a pro-freedom viewpoint) is another thing FSW should have.
Yeah, a radio station would be great!
There are a lot of Grange Halls in Washington and Oregon. The Washington Grange is still pretty active in politics. They have been very involved in trying to bring the Lousiana Primary system to Washington State. I guess they don't like political parties. Which seem odd for one voluntary membership organization to seek to gut the rights of others, but there you have it. I have no idea if they rent halls or not.
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Here is something that might serve as a music festival spot ? Anyone in the area have any more info on it ? Might be worth checking out ? Miles
http://www.unitedcountry.com/search06/SearchViewProperty.asp?SID=37439904&Item=606397&Lcnt=&Page=&Office=49039&No=49039-60012&RP=&FT=P
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Just to point out the obvious, GuernseyRifleman and RazorCityRifleman host five or six shoots each year that I consider "mini-jamborees." They are a great place to get together with friends, and since it costs little more to take the family than just the guys, maybe the ladies could come along and meet up even if they don't want to shoot?
PaulWy
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I didn't realize the Redwater Creek site was for sale. That seems like a good price.
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But, what jschulz has suggested is a music venue. A place where people would go to hear live bands would, necessarily, have room for a large audience. (And a dance floor. You can see where I'd like that, if you came to the costume party earlier this month.) It would also be a profitable venture, if there were some decent booking agent involved. I suppose there would be a liquor license to sell booze, as Wyoming isn't that libertarian, yet. But, there's lots of money in gate and drinks and souvenirs. There may be a significant venue in Jackson Hole, and there may be concert halls of some sort in Casper or Cheyenne. Certainly the Casper Events Center is the city socialist answer to every event that needs a venue.
Having the idea and making it work are not the same thing. But, a good outdoor amphitheater, like Theater Under the Stars in Houston, might work. For year 'round action, a large indoor venue would be wanted, as concerts don't work well with frozen audiences. ;-P
Anyway, there might be a business plan in to this idea. Something to ponder. Hmmmm. <strokes beard> Hmmm.
Regards,
Jim
LOL. Why thanks, Jim! Yes I like the idea of a liberty music hall very much. Last night I was thinking if I owned a place like that, I could make it a rule that I'd only take precious metals for admission.
If someone comes in with FRNs, then, they will have to exchange them and then pay with gold/silver/platinum coinage. Sounds redundant, but I think the more people use precious metals for payment the freer our community would be.
That brings me to another idea...a non Fed credit cooperative.
You are so right about reality vs ideas...point taken.
Jen :D
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Humm...
This all sounds like positive fun.....kind of takes me back to my high school days, when I was a rodie for a band.....we converted a horse correl into a grunge pit, fixed two flat trailers into a stage and put together a very cool homemade light and sound system for the bands that played. I remember the student orginazition....S.T.A.R. Students Taking Another Route.....because the Public School we attended objected to the idea of a concert as a fund raiser for the class trip.....they wanted us to do car washes or sell raffle tickets..... what boring crap!
Jed "Metal Head" Bodacious
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Kewl!
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The Washington Grange is still pretty active in politics. They have been very involved in trying to bring the Lousiana Primary system to Washington State. I guess they don't like political parties. Which seem odd for one voluntary membership organization to seek to gut the rights of others, but there you have it. I have no idea if they rent halls or not.
I can shed some light on that. The Grange and those who agree with them on this issue don't have anything against the political parties. But the primary elections are paid for by the taxpayers. We have a problem with a taxpayer-paid-for primary in which the political parties can force us to vote by party. As is, a Libertarian has to vote the Republican or Democratic ticket to vote for a particular candidate they like and then cannot vote in the primary for anyone not on that ticket.
I say if your political party wants an exclusive primary, pay for it. If a political party wants a taxpayer-paid primary, any voter should be able to vote for any candidate in the primary election. That's the Grange position which, by the way, is also supported by Sam Reed, our Republican Secretary of State, and many other freedom-loving Washington taxpayers.
Washington State had an open-primary (vote for anyone you want) for a very long time. Some Californians thought it was a good idea and they passed it for their state. The parties in California sued and it went to the Supreme Court. Our open-primary system was found unconstitutional so even though Washington voters have passed initiatives and referendums to get it back, the political parties have fought us and won, so far. What I don't understand is why the Libertarian Party joined the Republican and Democratic Parties in the lawsuit. Stay tuned. This is not over.
Yes, the Grange Halls rent out space for very reasonable. ;)
And yes, a music festival perhaps in conjunction with the Jamboree and before or after the radio might get this Washingtonian back to Wyoming for the next Jam.
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Since we seem to be on the topic of music here, thought I'd share this link: http://www.punknews.org/article.php?sid=14108&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0 It's an interview with the WY punk band Teenage Bottlerocket. Interesting interview. I checked them out on MySpace and they sound pretty decent.
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Welcome Aboard Jen!
To the east of Crook County, in the Black Hills of South Dakota the music scene ROCKS! There are lots of bands covering most types of music. Deadwood SD has between 6-8 bands playing in the bars every weekend. Saloon #10 has the best of the best rock, indie, alt rock, etc. Spearfish, Sturgis, and Rapid City, SD all are part of the scene. I havent been to Gillette, Wyo for a while, but with the boom in the energy industry, I'm pretty sure that there are bands playing there every weekend, too. Probably mostly country.
You can stream X-rock ?www.xrock.fm ?to get an idea about the rock scene here.
Also check out the Sturgis Rally line-up. It is awesome!!! http://www.sturgis-rally.com/index.html
KS I'm shocked and stunned you would have such intimate knowledge of such places ;D
RCR
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I think we ought to also look at the rendezvous (rendezvouses?? :) ) for alternate places and times to have informal, mini-FSW get-togethers.
Paul they happen most any given weekend somewhere in WY, you just don't get involved, how do you think we stay so tight? ;D
RCR
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Welcome Aboard Jen!
To the east of Crook County, in the Black Hills of South Dakota the music scene ROCKS! There are lots of bands covering most types of music. Deadwood SD has between 6-8 bands playing in the bars every weekend. Saloon #10 has the best of the best rock, indie, alt rock, etc. Spearfish, Sturgis, and Rapid City, SD all are part of the scene. I havent been to Gillette, Wyo for a while, but with the boom in the energy industry, I'm pretty sure that there are bands playing there every weekend, too. Probably mostly country.
You can stream X-rock ?www.xrock.fm ?to get an idea about the rock scene here.
Also check out the Sturgis Rally line-up. It is awesome!!! http://www.sturgis-rally.com/index.html
KS I'm shocked and stunned you would have such intimate knowledge of such places ;D
RCR
Yeah, riiiiiiiiight!? >:D
gimme a Moose Drool, a shot glass kept full of 1800 and a decent live rock band w/dance floor...I'm good to go.
~W~ Tamara