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Prospective Free State Wyoming (FSW) Members and Interested Parties => Prospective Free State Wyoming (FSW) Members and Interested Parties => Topic started by: AlbannachDragon on March 13, 2007, 04:27:37 PM
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Hi all, I would first like to allay any fears about folks fleeing California, we are not all leftists and not all of us voted for the absolute insanity that has taken over here. It wasn't that many years ago when we were more freedom loving and constitutional in ideology. Unfortunately over the last 40-50 years there has been a big influx of east coasters and foreigners, and this has single handedly changed the culture from constitutional to communist. There are even a few of us that grew up in rural areas, raising livestock, hunting/fishing on a whim, and experiencing, first hand, true freedom.
Anyway, I've been haunting this forum, and FSW in general, for a spell now, and I thought I would introduce myself. My name is Jim, I am a computer guy, and I have been desperately looking for a place to escape to for several years now. I have examined Nevada, Arizona, Oregon, etc... and I think I have found relative paradise in WY. From the pictures I have seen the Sheridan area appeals to me most. However, I won't know until I actually start visiting. Toward that end I am planning a week long trip over the week of July 4th. I would like to see how patriotic you (Wyomingites?) all are. Reference: here in So. Cal. I have one neighbor who sports his canadian flag on the 4th, and down the street are some folks from england who sport the Union Jack on the 4th (yes I intentionally used lower case spelling of those nouns), not to mention the mexicans. It's all I can do to keep from burning those flags every year...
So... If you all would be so kind as to direct me to a place or event that would be fabulous for my family to visit on the 4th, and experience Independence like true patriots, while getting a taste of Wyoming, I would greatly appreciate it.
-Jim-
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As one of those X Californians, I welcome you.
Too bad you can't come in June to the Jamboree. Then you'd meet a couple of hundred of us. Anyway, there is an annual 4th of July event in Hulette, so maybe you can join the bunch there for a BBQ, fireworks and all sorts of other things. Keep your eye on this thread for more information http://www.fundamentalsoffreedom.com/fswforum//index.php?board=9.0
MamaLiberty
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Howdy Jim, Here is one list of things happening in July.
http://wyomingtourism.org/discover_wyoming/events/index.php?month=7&year=2007
I would bet that most of the towns in Wyoming have a fireworks display. Rock Springs has a pretty good show every year.
Miles
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If you are looking towards Sheridan County, there is a real big fireworks display on the evening of July 4 at the Polo Field near BigHorn (there's been polo here for about a hundred years.)
The display is long, close-up, and loud. In the past, crowd size has been estimated as approaching 10k if I remember right. There's another one 30 miles east of Sheridan at Ucross, same evening.
Sheridan does have a parade during the morning.
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Hi Jim. We here in Laramie are planning a blue helmet shoot for the 4th. You may want to reconsider your trip as the 4th is the beginning of the madness with tourists here. Yellowstone will be virtually unaccessible and the Highway Gestapo will be hoping to fund themselves for the next year. The FSW Jamboree is a must for those of you wishing to re-locate. B
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In the last 6 years ivel lived in California, Texas, Florida, Illinois, and last but not least Wyoming. Wyoming does the 4th of July right and is by far home to probably the last partriots through and through. We refer to this holiday in wyoming not as the 4th of July, but Cowboy Christmas because if any date stands for what we believe its this day.
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In the last 6 years ivel lived in California, Texas, Florida, Illinois, and last but not least Wyoming.? Wyoming does the 4th of July right and is by far home to probably the last partriots through and through.? We refer to this holiday in wyoming not as the 4th of July, but Cowboy Christmas because if any date stands for what we believe its this day.?
Cowboy Christmas!,? love it? ?:D..........? I've not heard the phrase before as it relates to the 4th, anyway.........
BTW, a hearty welcome to A-Dragon. Join the refugees from slavery in the rest of the country.
Regards, Danl ~W~
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Thanks for all your responses!
Unfortunately I cannot make the Jam this year. I am planning on coming next year.
I have a more long term plan on relocating. For family reasons I cannot leave Cal for approx. 3 years. When the timing is right I will leave. I had been looking at Northern Arizona, Northern Nevada, Colorado, but found each to have significant political shortcomings. I've lived in Alaska, too cold, lived in Utah, too many Mormons, not bad people but if your not one of them, well... your not one of them. I'm white and my wife is black, I have heard stories about Idaho and blacks, so that didn't seem right. I only recently (last 6 months) discovered the free state project, and subsequently FSW. FSP seemed to have a political agenda, and I really did not want to leave the west. I like the more free spirit of FSW, the lack of the feeling that one must tow the party line, it just seems "freer". Wyoming just "feels" right, I will know for sure after a few visits, and the 2008 Jamboree.
Thanks again for all your consideration, it puts a mind at ease knowing there ARE other like minded individuals out there.
-Jim-
Sick and tired of being sick and tired.
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Jim, I have been struggling with the same decision. It's a big one for me since I am moving with limited resources having just started a company and also looking for a job to help float the expenses. Since you are in computers I have some ideas. Email me directly if you can.... dlarsonrmg@yahoo.com
Dave
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I'm white and my wife is black, I have heard stories about Idaho and blacks, so that didn't seem right.
Don't believe everything you read in the (statist) newspapers. My Chinese wife has never had any problem in any of these states - Idaho, Montana, or Wyoming. In fact the only places we had any trouble were in liberal Portland (skinheads) and liberal California!
Look at this piece written by a friend of mine, Quincy OrHai:
http://www.geocities.com/holy_instant/freepolitics.html
He's wrong in #3 though. The problem is not just in Laramie and Missoula.
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Thanks Paul B! That was a good read, and reassuring. Curious though, why is #3 wrong?
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Albannach Dragon, your wifes skin color is totally irrelevant. In fact, the culture here has a long history of accepting folks from "out of town" Look closely at Lewis and Clarks notes from their trip through here and you'll find references to "some very dark skinned natives with the hair af negros" That's because the Northern Arapaho and Western Shoshone had a policy of granting assylum to refugees from the south. Wyoming NEVER had or endorsed slavery and in fact some of our most famous cowboys were/are black. Jesse Stahl, One Horse Jolly, Ism Doc, Bill Picket,, the list is too long. You and your wife will only be judged by your work ethic and personal integrity. Welcome. B
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AD,
I don't think the skin issue will be a problem. I need to reiterate what Paul said regarding Quincy Orhai's article. It is a must read. I would encourage everyone to read this article and other at this website.
Look at this piece written by a friend of mine, Quincy OrHai:
http://www.geocities.com/holy_instant/freepolitics.html
Quincy and his son Max have earned the respect of about everyone they come in contact with. Great fella........
Regards, Danl ~W~
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Yeah, Max is one of the good ones too! Wrote a Liberty Magazine article about the Free West movement.
Curious though, why is #3 wrong?
Look at my signature line, I spend an inordinate amount of time analyzing the bills in the Wyoming legislature. There are liberty-hostile members of the legislature for sure, but they are not concentrated in Laramie but scattered around the state, most of them not Californai immigrants but good old Wyoming boys (and girls). Sorry, that's the truth as far as I can see, even if it violates closely-held presumptions of most Wyomingites. I can't say one way or another about Montana in this respect.
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Jim, I sympathize with you and your situation. Like you, my wife and I considered different Western states. Then, when we finally made our choice (Idaho), it took us 6.5 years to actually make the move from Kalifornia (for family and financial reasons). It wasn't until after we moved to Idaho that I learned of the FSW, so now we begin the process all over again... :-)
I hope to meet you in Free Wyoming someday.
-John
P.S. Hi everyone. This is my first post. I'm looking forward to getting to know you, and learning all I can about Wyoming.
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Welcome, John and family! Can you make it to the Jamboree in June? We'd love to meet you, and you'll be able to meet a lot of us!
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Welcome Blakejoh. Your experience with Idaho will be most interesting to many here, as Idaho was or is on the 'Move To' list. ~W~
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Thank you, MamaLiberty and bobcat. My wife is looking into the possibility of us attending the Jam this year. It's a challenge because we have animals and irrigation that need regular attention, but the neighbor has offered to help. Hopefully we can work it out.
I'll be happy to report on our impressions of Idaho as time goes on. Freedom was the biggest reason we chose this region of the country. Although I can now see reasons why Wyoming might be better, I also see benefits of getting freedom lovers to migrate to any part of the Wyoming/Montana/Idaho region.
Speaking of the region, does anyone know what happened to the Free West Alliance? I learned of it at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_West_Alliance (which is also where I learned of FSW!), but it seems to be inactive. (WARNING: The 'Official Site of Free West Alliance - Expired domain' link in that article takes you to a porn site. Beware!!) I think it would be worth the effort to keep the FWA movement going. Maybe it is still active under a different name?
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It seems to have morphed into this: http://www.montana-alliance-for-liberty.org/index.shtml
Lots of good people there, and they have a forum as well. I don't dare even visit, however. I just don't have time!!! :) ML
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I'll be happy to report on our impressions of Idaho as time goes on. Freedom was the biggest reason we chose this region of the country. Although I can now see reasons why Wyoming might be better, I also see benefits of getting freedom lovers to migrate to any part of the Wyoming/Montana/Idaho region.
Thanks for your willingness to share. While Wyoming offers my skillset the best opportunity for corporate employment, Idaho was my first choice based on my visits there and those of friends that have visited or live there. I absolutely love the mountains and heavy forests. However, unless I find a ranch or small business for sale, that is very unlikely. Even if I gain corp employment in Wy, I will be looking for a small ranch or small business right away...
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Howdy Blakejoh, Glad to have you here. Hope to see you at the JAM. Miles
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It seems to have morphed into this: http://www.montana-alliance-for-liberty.org/index.shtml
Actually, Free West Alliance morphed into MAL and into Free State Wyoming! :) Basically, the 3-state movement became state-specific. Also FWA was having a heck of a time getting their forum hacked, which accellerated FWA's "demise". That little bit of history made us very careful about forum software selection, this time around. Of course it didn't hurt to have a first-class forum administrator, Joseph. Worth his weight in gold... :)
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It seems to have morphed into this: http://www.montana-alliance-for-liberty.org/index.shtml
Actually, Free West Alliance morphed into MAL and into Free State Wyoming! :) Basically, the 3-state movement became state-specific. Also FWA was having a heck of a time getting their forum hacked, which accellerated FWA's "demise". That little bit of history made us very careful about forum software selection, this time around. Of course it didn't hurt to have a first-class forum administrator, Joseph. Worth his weight in gold... :)
Thanks Paul. I also located the archived copy of the FWA site, and it talked about the hacking problems as well. Not only that, I also saw "Paul Bonneau has updated his Wyoming Freedom Index to reflect the Wyoming legislature?s 2004 session." So that kinda brought me full circle. :)
I know I'm straying off-topic for this thread, but I'm curious what other FSW folks think about the idea of a 3-state movement. To me it seems like a good thing, but I don't have the historical perspective that many of you undoubtedly do. Any thoughts? (Please feel free to direct me to a different topic area if it would be more appropriate.)
Thanks!
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Mr. Bonneau, I salute your humility through this thread. Especially when the question of July 4th came about. >:D I for one am looking forward to packing up the pu and the family and heading to Cody for the "Cody Stampede and Rodeo"!!! I folks want a great experience for the fourth then head to Cody. If you're heading that way let me know, I'd love to get together and have a great time. Paul A.
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Er? ??? :)
I'm not much of a flag-waver. We have a great country run by a rotten government, and I don't want to give people the impression I support the government - an impression that is sometimes conveyed by putting a flag out. What I need to do, though, is get my hands on a "Don't Tread On Me" flag.
I wasn't aware Cody has a rep for a big 4th celebration. However there is a huge fireworks store on the west end of town near the Ballard factory, I think open all year round; maybe that has something to do with it. We will be in town this year, so we can see. I will pass my email address to you via PM, so maybe we can all go together; however we are so plugged into this town by now we may be in other parties. I will let you know.
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Speaking of fireworks, will they be allowed at this year's Jam?
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I believe you can get the Gadsen and Culpepper flags - and lots of others - here: http://confederatereprint.com/index.php?cPath=27&osCsid=465c6b612939e728180884bca84fb02e
Let me know if you get one and how the supplier treats you. I've had this link at my website for years but never heard from anyone who bought anything from them. ML