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Prospective Free State Wyoming (FSW) Members and Interested Parties => Prospective Free State Wyoming (FSW) Members and Interested Parties => Topic started by: blaine on September 04, 2009, 06:11:35 AM
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Hello everyone, my alias is Blaine, real name not used for the simple fact i like my privacy and this is for the most part a public forum. I came across this site after i had orderd Boston T Party's books. Some of not all. I am presently serving in Afghanistan and have about six more months before my deployment is up. I am in the National Guard out of the state of Georgia. I have always been a gun advocate and believe it may be one of our most endangered rights. I have always wanted to see Wyoming and Montana. So this site is right up my alley. I have been looking for a state more to my liking, With like minded individuals who would rather live together in peace instead of killing one another. The gun laws are to my liking and the climate my wife would love. We both like the cold and the snow. Nothing like a warm fireplace and some soft music to relax a couple. I am researching the FSW and will continue to do so over these next few months. I would like to make my move in the next two years and i believe it to be possible. I will be planning a trip to the state this coming year to check it out. It almost sounds to good to be true so i will be skeptical until i see it. This is a great forum and the people are all very cordial and understanding. Sounds like a good group willing to help others in their endeavors to make a more free and independant life for themselves. Thank you for your time
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Welcome again! We've not yet set the date, but we have an annual camp-out gathering - usually in May or June. Watch for the announcement of that and see if you can come then. You'll meet a good representative cross section of FSW members and like minded folks from all over the country.
And I hope your wife will become a forum member and talk to us too. We'll try to answer her questions and make her welcome as well.
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You LIKE cold and SNOW!!!! Finally, some folks who do not dread winter! Do you ski?
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blaine
first, WELCOME. I think you and your wife will like most of Wyoming. I can only speak for myself but I love it here. I was gone for awhile and about broke my neck getting back. One of my biggest mistakes was to leave Wyoming. I aint gonna do that again except for short trips. We need freedom loving people here because our government is curdling faster and faster into tyranny. We need your help in turning this factor around. Come out to visit us ASAP and you'll have places to stay all over the state. I'm in NE Wyoming in Newcastle right within a mile of the Black Hills. Mama Liberty's here to and I know she's the most welcoming friendly woman in these parts.
"A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government".
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Blaine,
No, it's not too good to be true! It's kind of like that movie (whose name I can't recall) where there was a whole new reality behind the scenes that nobody could sense.
Just got back from a trip to the Land of Lincoln, oops, make that the Land of Obama (same thing since they were/are both tyrants). No open carry there! Can't even buy ammo at a sporting goods store without the infamous FOID card, Not even air guns.
We happened to be at a car dealership and I got to talking about WY vs. IL. The young man just couldn't imagine people walking around with open guns. I showed him my "modest" knife that I carry as backup and he about came out of his chair. To him, Wyoming was as foreign as Mars.
Different reality.
Wide open spaces, minimalist laws and regulations, no building permits or inspections required in Crook County (where I live). No zoning. Cities are a bit different of course. It's here for the taking if you're bold enough to make the move and step into the other reality.
Mac
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Blaine,
Welcome to the forum! I hope you find all that you're looking for in Wyoming. And I look forward to good conversations until (if/when) we meet.
-Shawn
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Howdy, nice to meet a fellow Guardsman here! I'm from the Iowa Guard myself. Yes, the rumors are all true. I went to this year's campout, and absolutely fell in love with the state. It really is so much different. Nice people, nice scenery, plenty of outdoorsy stuff to do, and it is completely void of the totalitarian aura most cities have these days. Even spent some time open carrying in public, which was an experience in itself! I plan on moving out in a couple years as well, just looking at the logistics of it, making some sort of plans for employment (current winner is SELF employment...options are open though). Not sure how much you've looked around the site yet, but there is plenty of help out there in these areas as well. Welcome!
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Howdy Blaine, and welcome !
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First of all, thanks for all the welcomes and warm greetings. It is nice to be welcomed so openly. Yes i ski, not in Ga. though, haha. I use to live in the northeast, Vermont, and the state went very liberal i thought. It is a beautiful state though. New hampshire is also very beautiful and alot of good trout fishing streams. Love to trout fish. Hunting is a big plus too. Ga. is too restrictive and you have to be a member of a hunting camp. !200-1500 dollars a year. Too strong for my blood. Also like cowboy action shooting and the outdoors in general. Would love to learn to horse ride and have a couple of horses one day. Always wanted to go to a dude ranch for a vacation and i know there are several in wyoming. Either way i am coming for a visit to Wyoming next year after this deployment is over. Once again thanks everyone for the warm welcomes and i am sorry I could not respong to all the welcomes individually.
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Blaine, you should try the Popo Agie and the Canyon - some of the best trout fishing in the state in this area, Lander, Riverton, Thermopolis.
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Thanks for the tip on the trout fishing areas. Is fly fishing the best way to go in Wyoming? I have done it a couple of times but not very proficient at it. My uncle was a very good fly fisherman and tied his own flies. I wish he was still around to share some of his artistic talents. There is nothing like trout fishing, just like hunting, its the best. When i get ready to make my trip next year, i will be posting alot more. Still doing research on the subject. This will be my last move so i have to make sure it is the right one. So far Wyoming sounds like the place for me and my wife. Thanks again.
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The only way you'll know for sure is to get yer butt out here and look around!!!
Bring it (yer butt) back in one piece, strap it into your car, and head this way.
There's lot of people to meet, places to see, and most of the people here (on the forum) would be happy to feed you, put you up, give you a place to camp, buy youse guys some beers, Eh!
Don't wait too long, we might not have that long to wait!
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Thanks for the encouragement BigUgly, and you are right. I will get my butte in the car when this tour is over and head that way. Or catch a flight or something. I will hold you to the beers too, haha. No alcohol over here. Looking forward to meeting everyone.
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Not a problem with the beers .. hope you like beer with body 'cause I don't do 'butt-wiper' or any of the 'other' regular beers if I can help it.
I guess the reason you guys have to be 'alcohol free' over there is because of the muslim restrictions on 'fermentation of grape or wheat'? Why? I can see not taking booze into their homes or drinking on the street, but why can't you drink on base?
No one respects our feelings, beliefs, or customs .... not even in our own country.
But, we are expected to respect everyone else's .... even in our own country.
Yes, I ask the Big G to keep an eye on you'all every single day.
Too many of my friends never came back from that little southeast asian country.
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I guess the reason you guys have to be 'alcohol free' over there is because of the muslim restrictions on 'fermentation of grape or wheat'? Why? I can see not taking booze into their homes or drinking on the street, but why can't you drink on base?
No one respects our feelings, beliefs, or customs .... not even in our own country.
But, we are expected to respect everyone else's .... even in our own country.
More of a general policy on deployment. We had the same policy on all the American bases in Bosnia and Kosovo. Sort of makes sense, in that you should be "ready for action" at any time. Don't recall any other reasoning. Although the Americans were generally more serious than any other country about everything in that aspect. When I was in Bosnia in 2001, I was fortunate enough to be stationed on a NATO base, so generally we didn't have to play by the American rules. Here's the comparison I saw:
American base:
-No alcohol, not ever, in any quantity. I think you could get "near beer," which tasted horrible and really just reminded you that you couldn't have real beer
-Uniform: combat uniform, body armor, helmet, weapon, all the time, unless you were exercising or going to bed, then you wore PTs
-No trips outside the wire without some sort of official business (not entirely sure on this, more of the impression I got, since I didn't spend all that much time on an American base)
NATO base:
-Several bars/nightclubs on post. $0.75 for a half-liter of Sarajevsko Pivo, $1.50 for a pitcher (and that stuff was 12.6% alcohol...sort of reminded me of Old E in flavor). The Italian dining facility on post had little juice boxes of wine you could get when you ate, too. All the PXs also sold alcohol...ironically, including the American PX. As another note, it was also very interesting to see what alchohol and tobacco cost without any taxes. At the Italian PX you could get a carton of Camels for $6 :o. I got a 4.5 liter bottle of Johnny Walker red for like $45 :o :o (took me over a year to finish it).
-Uniform: combat uniform with soft cap on duty, civilian cloths off duty. Weapons generally stayed in the arms room unless threatcon level went up, or you were headed off-post.
-Weekly bus tours of Sarajevo, free passage to all the little CD shops outside the gate, other trips you had to just make up some sort of lame excuse for ;).
All in all, it seemed like they were really just trying to make life miserable on the American bases. Granted, these rules may be applicable in the desert (hard for me to make a judgment on the current state of things over there from my own living room), but Bosnia in 2001 wasn't much worse than most parts of Detroit.
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O.K. I stand corrected. I had been told that it was, primarily due to the muslim thing.
Seems odd that it would be due a 'readiness state' since in that far off little asian land, getting shit-faced drunk was one of the few pleasures available on-base. Of course, it was frowned upon outside of the main base (safe area).
The times they are a changein'
You put your life on the line, get paid to carry a gun and shoot people, but you can't even drink a beer
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Big Ugly, the reasons they give us for no alcohol is the muslim reason and also to keep a high state of readiness. I understand these rules and i follow them but i dont necessarily agree with them. There is no outlet for a soldier. Once in a while it would be nice to be able to forget about everything around you and get lost in some form of alcohol. It is relaxing and therapeutic. Whether the army sees it that way or not. But you are right we have to abide by this countries religion and customs but they do not have to try to understand ours at all. We are held to an unreasonable standard while they have secret meetings about when they get to start shooting americans. That part is absolutely true. Heard it from a general in the afghan army. I was on an ett team at the time. These are the things that will never make the papers. Talk to you all again soon.
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Hmm, very interesting. If I had to guess they were probably just throwing the "Muslim" reason in there as some sort of scapegoat, seeing as how it really has the appearance of being a carryover from previous campaigns. Of course there would be a couple other observations to be made on whether or not it really is for religious reasons. First, do the non-U.S. bases in the middle east allow alcohol? Alcohol is a good deal more mainstream in Europe, although if the religious reasoning is valid, then Europeans, being generally known as more "culturally sensitive" than us U.S. brutes, might also ban it. Also, was this policy also in effect during Desert Storm? I recall we had quite a few "hard lessons learned" in culture there, mainly in how our female troops presented themselves over there, given the overall status of women over there. Then again, instead of being a carryover policy from Bosnia, perhaps alcohol on deployment was banned during Desert Storm for cultural/religious reasons, and this carried over into Bosnia?
Oh well, I probably don't want to hear the "official" answer, it's probably dumber. Most "reasoning" I've found in these types of scenarios is pretty absurd, I'm usually happier not hearing it! It is true though, deployments would sure suck a lot less if you were allowed to have a beer or two now and then. Made my Bosnia deployment just fly by! The Germans even held an authentic Oktoberfest...now that was a good time.
That's one thing I've always hated about the way the U.S. does things, it's always some pissing contest about seeing who can put up with the most suckage and BS. Of course this leads to such inane contests as who can go the longest without taking a shower in the field (when hot showers are only a 5 minute walk away). That doesn't make you hardcore, it only makes you smelly! Sadly there were a lot of people that couldn't understand that. Then again, with political correctness even creeping into the military, I suppose that's what you end up with. When you run out of acceptable true feats of manliness, bored troops come up with junior high BS.