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Free State Wyoming (FSW) Promotional => Marketing and Media Coverage of Free State Wyoming (FSW) => Topic started by: DontTreadOnMe on February 26, 2006, 03:00:20 AM
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There may be a vast number of potential FSW supporters and members that remains untapped simply because they are unaware. There are a great deal of "Gun Boards" out there, on-line discussion boards where guns are a common thread, but not the only thing discussed. And, of course, most of these boards and their members are very freedom oriented.
Many on these boards might be quite into the FSW thing, but have never come across the idea.
I am a long-time member on www.assaultweb.net, and know of many other boards and have friends that are long time members on them as well. I think that posts from more established members might go a tad further than a guy who signed on yesterday.
Some other boards that I know of are glocktalk, AK-47.net, AR-15.com, and many, many more.
My point is this, FSW might find a very favorable reception on these boards, and could grapevine FSW awareness to much higher levels.
Shall we start a project?
-What boards?
-Do we have, or know, established members on these boards?
-What do we want to put out there and how?
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I did some googling and found these:
www.gunsnet.net/forums/
www.gunboards.com/
www.gunboards.com/forums/
www.firearmnews.com/directory/index.asp?CatID=45
www.sigforum.com/groupee/forums/a/frm/f/140601935
www.ar15.com/forums/
www.assaultweb.net/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi
www.glocktalk.com
www.thehighroad.org
I googled "freedom discussion forums" and didn't find much, but this one looked promising, it's premise is a "free world order." I looked at it briefly, and it seems OK, with a like-minded population.
www.buildfreedom.com/lists/
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Well, DTOM, be my guest to start FSW threads on those other forums.
Likewise to anybody else.
Be sure to highlight this year's Jamboree in conjunction with Fred's Appleseed Project,
and do provide URLs to both orgs.
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I already did, I got 13 replies at:
http://www.assaultweb.net/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=42;t=031299
There was some positive and negative, the highlights are:
"If all the folks in the whole WORLD moved there..nobody would be closer than about 100 feet to anybody else."
"So, I move to Wyoming. What do I do there to make a living? Even if you have a couple of million folks who all think like we do, we can't all be firearm and ammo dealers, I don't think. Those are the kind of things that throw the wrench in the works between a nice idea and a practical one. Availability of employement. Availability of housing. Infrastructure. I'd offer the speculation that if you moved five thousand people to Wyoming next month they'd have difficulty finding housing, let alone employment. And fifty thousand? Or five hundred thousand?
Chaos.That's why we don't."
"JOBS. No matter where we choose to live, we still need to make a living."
"SuperVolcano at Yellowstone seems uneasy these days..................
I want to see Wyoming soon, I used to think that Wyoming was one of the safe open spaces to live until all the talk about the potential SuperVolcano at Yellowstone .....
What if they invented that story to keep people away from the pristine wilderness....Hmmm"
"How about missouri, then I don't have to move."
"If anyone knows of any hospitals looking for Autotransfusion directors / managers please let me, I can move sooner if I stay in my current line of work"
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Be sure to highlight this year's Jamboree in conjunction with Fred's Appleseed Project,
and do provide URLs to both orgs.
I punched up the following to continue the AWeb thread:
"JOBS. No matter where we choose to live, we still need to make a living."
Absolutely. Check out:
Jobs, Business Opportunities and Employee Recruitment
http://www.fundamentalsoffreedom.com/fswforum/index.php?board=11.0
900 unfilled jobs in Crook, weston and Campbell counties
http://www.fundamentalsoffreedom.com/fswforum/index.php?topic=169.0
If you're really interested, FSW is having a Jamboree in three months up there:
3rd Annual FSW Jamboree: Worland, WY 26-29 May, 2006
http://www.fundamentalsoffreedom.com/fswforum/index.php?topic=41.0
Also involved in the Jam will be Fred's (of Fred's M14 stocks) RWVA:
http://www.rwva.org/
But, I couldn't do it.
Boston, the thread about the Jamboree and the employment threads are available only to FSW forum registrants. The links only go to a FSW forum dead end. This is understandable, but shouldn't we have public access to something about the Jam? I'm trying to work up a master "post" on FSW that I could start putting on the boards, but I need some solid links to info about the jam and Fred's Appleseed project. http://www.rwva.org/ isn't specifically "appleseed," you have to poke around to find it.
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DontTreadOnMe - Keep up the good work.
For links, w/r/to FSW you are right that some (most) such links are semi-private. I'll let Boston and the FSW admins hash that out.
When it comes to RWVA and Project Appleseed, instead of just posting the www.rwva.org link, try posting this:
http://www.rwva.org/yabbse/index.php which is the general Forum page
or this:
http://www.rwva.org/yabbse/index.php?board=50.0 which has Appleseed FAQs and Appleseed Details sub forums.
That might help those less enthusiastic folks get to the meat sooner. From there, they can navigate up, around, wherever.
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from DTOM:
Boston, the thread about the Jamboree and the employment threads are available only to FSW forum registrants. The links only go to a FSW forum dead end. This is understandable, but shouldn't we have public access to something about the Jam?
You raise an excellent point; some of these categories should be viewable
by forum nonusers. I'll get with Joseph on this. Thanks for bringing this up!
Boston
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There's also these pro gun/self defense forums--
http://www.polite-society.org/
Some discussion of politics/freedom issues but not much.
http://www.suarezinternational.com/forums/upload/index.php
Plenty of discussion of politics/freedom issues but they seem to be primarily from the
'big government', 'no questioning of police behavior', authoritarian (a.k.a conservative)
is good perspective. OTOH, there are a dozen or so libertarian sorts that post there regularly.
BTW, there is a Boston T. Party registered there (that you Ken?)
http://www.threatfocused.com/forums/index.php
No discussiuoin of politics/freedom issues so far. This is a very new forum.
Can't say that anyone on these forums is much of a fan of GlockTalk at all.
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from sbeckman:
http://www.suarezinternational.com/forums/upload/index.php
Plenty of discussion of politics/freedom issues but they seem to be primarily from the
'big government', 'no questioning of police behavior', authoritarian (a.k.a conservative)
is good perspective. OTOH, there are a dozen or so libertarian sorts that post there regularly.
BTW, there is a Boston T. Party registered there (that you Ken?)
Yes, I registered in order to read some of the posts regarding
Gabe Suarez's guilty plea in the matter of worker's comp fraud.
Though I do not know Suarez, several of my good friends do,
and strongly discourage having anything to do with him. He offers
nothing unique or interesting to me that would tempt me to ignore
my friends' advice. My opinion; my caveat.
Formally, the FSW will have no connection with Suarez, and neither will I.
Y'all do what you wish on a personal level.
Boston
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A heartening reply fromAWeb:
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posted February 27, 2006 12:45
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I like the idea. It'd be nice to be in an area where your vote counts for more. And I do like the notion of all that elbow room.
re: the Yellowstone Caldera - if that goes, at least half the U.S. will be screwed and the earth's climate will be quite changed for a long time ... being in Wyo wouldn't make you much worse off. Plus, being 'late' in the geological sense doesn't really affect us mortals.
re: winter - it's not Alaska, Minnesota, Wisconsin, etc. ... I think the weather won't be that bad. Wear the proper clothing and be smart about it. California and Hawaii have nice weather, but there's no way in hell I'd live there.
re: jobs - the issue of finding jobs for thousands of people is a non-issue because there won't a dump of movers like that ... there will be a trickle as interested parties go to check it out and the infrastructure will increase accordingly. It might be harder for the first arrivals, but the kind of people that would vote with their feet and move towards freedom are the type of people that would be able to manage anywhere.
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re: winter - it's not Alaska, Minnesota, Wisconsin, etc. ... I think the weather won't be that bad. Wear the proper clothing and be smart about it. California and Hawaii have nice weather, but there's no way in hell I'd live there.
The last few days here in Hulett have been marvelous. Today, it was at 60 and with blue skies and sun, it was downright beautiful.
There have been a few really cold weeks this winter, but for the most part it has been pretty mild, generally between 10 and 20 during the day. Mild? Yes, believe it or not, 20 degree days are just fine once you get used to them. The air is not moisture sucking bone dry like in Nevada, but it is certainly not humid that makes the biting cold like in Chicago or back East.
For the most part, the snows have been between maybe one and four inches at a time. The highway department scrapes the roads clean pretty soon after it snows, so if you don't have a long driveway, you will probably not need chains or spiders very often. In my case, I have a 300 foot driveway up the side of a hill, and it takes forever to melt off. So I sometimes have to put the spiders on at the top of the hill and take them off at the bottom at the main road. It takes two or three extra minutes. So even a "bad case" like mine, it is really not that big of a deal. By the way, I HIGHLY recommend spiders for winter driving here. They are so easy to put on and take off, where chains are such a hassle.
As for those few times in winter when it was really cold, like 20 below zero, yeah that is cold. When I had to go outside for any length of time, I put on my snow boots with the extra liner, two pairs of gloves (extra thin and thick), and even then I was getting cold after a half hour in the Bobcat. Oh, well. It's nice to get indoors where it's warm! :) But those were just a few times and did not last all that long.
Please note that this is in Hulett, where there are hills and trees and all that good stuff. If you decide to pitch your tent in Rawlins where the wind drives poor souls to suicide, it's a different thing altogether.
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I agree about the gun forums, there are a fair number of potential good folks there. There are also a large number of statists.
I have a couple of gun forums I post regularly on. My signature line in every post points to freestatewyoming.org. And I've mentioned the project in posts when the general subject of freedom comes up, usually Californians complaining how bad it is there. ::) I've almost come to the conclusion, that if shooters are still putting up with that place, they probably wouldn't be good for us anyway. All the decent ones must have bailed by now.
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I'm staff over at M-14 Forum. I'll ask the Range Officer and the XO about some friendly publicity. b
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...if shooters are still putting up with that place, they probably wouldn't be good for us anyway. All the decent ones must have bailed by now.
Paul,
As one of those "indecent ones" that "probably wouldn't be good for us anyway" I'd like to remind you that some of us,
while fully supporting the concept of FSW, the philosophies, principles and ideas espoused here may have families that aren't exactly ready
to be uprooted on a moments notice or perhaps have other family obligations that take precedence over our personal desires.
FWIW-
My wife is currently in the middle of graduate school and working full itme, with a subsequent 3 year payback for the tuition that her employer is graciously covering.
One daughter, freshly graduated from college is in the process of establishing her professional career.
Our other daughter flies Apache's for all of us, thank you very much.
None of this means that I wouldn't like to just 'up and leave' but I think I have other responsibilities that come first.
Just because I'm currently 'serving time' in the Peoples Republik doesn't mean that I'm 'from' Kalifornia in the manner you insinuate.
I'm very happy for everyone who was already in Wyoming, has moved to Wyoming as prt of FSW, or is in the process of moving to Wyoming.
That I unfortunately can't count myself in those ranks (yet?) and that I happen to live in the PRK says NOTHING about who I am. It may
well turn out that I can never move there. I'm certainly unwilling to compromise my marriage for that if my wife eventually concludes she simply can't
live with the emotional / pshchological effects of the much longer winter season there. She suffered for years here in the Bay Area after living in
the Southwest much of her life.
So, Please don't paint me with that pejorative "Californian" brush you just painted all residents of this collectivist hellhole with.
Thank you.
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Sorry, that may have been somewhat a rash statement. :-[ I actually know several very good folks living in PRK.
I guess I was looking at it personally. I have lived in Calif. and I couldn't stand the place. Bailed way before it got as bad as it is now. But I wasn't married then! Makes it a whole lot easier...
I know how marriage adds difficulty to this decision. It took me at least two years of very low pressure sales tactics to sell my wife on Wyoming. And she grew up in Hong Kong, which doesn't get much snow. ;) For her the solution seems to be to live half-time there and back in Oregon the rest of the time. I'll be able to stay longer. Winter, I like, and having grown up in Wisconsin don't find it to be a big deal. But I know a lot of folks go the sunbird route, even native Wyomingites. Maybe you can talk her into something like that. I've been looking at big 5th wheel trailers but haven't been able to talk her into it - yet.
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Sorry, that may have been somewhat a rash statement. Embarrassed I actually know several very good folks living in PRK.
I guess I was looking at it personally. I have lived in Calif. and I couldn't stand the place.
I certainly didn't move there for the gun laws, just the job offer I couldn't refuse from by very best friend, along with the 'stars in alignment' for my wife and family.
I've been here for nearly 10 years and initially didn't mind it so much but then I started learning about things like my rights, guns... You know all those pesky things that places like Kalifornia frown on so badly.
Bailed way before it got as bad as it is now. But I wasn't married then! Makes it a whole lot easier...
Certainly does. If I was single I might have been gone some time ago.
I know how marriage adds difficulty to this decision. It took me at least two years of very low pressure sales tactics to sell my wife on Wyoming. And she grew up in Hong Kong, which doesn't get much snow. Wink For her the solution seems to be to live half-time there and back in Oregon the rest of the time. I'll be able to stay longer. Winter, I like, and having grown up in Wisconsin don't find it to be a big deal. But I know a lot of folks go the sunbird route, even native Wyomingites. Maybe you can talk her into something like that. I've been looking at big 5th wheel trailers but haven't been able to talk her into it - yet.
My wife isn't so much opposed to Wyoming or any other place in particular except that she does not move well at all. Changes to weather patterns, seasons, etc. truly impact her. She is actually quite 'on board' with the idea of moving from Kalifornia but she knows that it will be a long period of adjustment time.
It's not the aboslute level of bad weather (temperature, snow, etc.) but the overall length of the bad weather season that gets to her. In Wyoming the 'good weather' is quite a short period of time compared to where we are now and where we came from in the southwest.
Not being able to go outside comfortably for months at a time is not going to sit well with her I'm afraid. Yes, I know that appropriate dress is required, but 'comfortably' doesn't include arctic wear for her.
She's also now working at the first job that she truly likes, with people she truly likes since I met her.
All in all, it's going to be a tough sell in some ways to change our plans from the property that we already own in Idaho to Wyoming.
Idaho was tops on our list because it was very near the top of Boston's list of best states for gun laws, and there is a VA Hospital within 20 miles (in Boise) of where we have property, but not in the county with Boise.
We don't have infinite resources to allow us to live in multiple places at this time or the 'escape' location in a warmer climate would be my choice also. Incurring debt to finance such an endeavor is not even close to being on the table.
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It's not the aboslute level of bad weather (temperature, snow, etc.) but the overall length of the bad weather season that gets to her. In Wyoming the 'good weather' is quite a short period of time compared to where we are now and where we came from in the southwest.
Funny, we've taken many trips to Wyoming, including in the dead of winter (Cody area most often). Essentially every time we did, I found the weather better than where we came from (western Oregon). Yeah, it was colder in winter, but a dry cold, and often sunny, so easier to tolerate. The wind was a pain sometimes though. Spring and summer were way nicer.
Idaho ain't really a bad substitute. Not so hot on taxes maybe, but has lots to recommend it otherwise. It is part of the "Triad" that the Free West folks were pushing a while back (I was one of them). The Triad is Idaho, Montana and Wyoming. If you already have ties there, it might be good enough (Boston will probably whack me for saying it :) ). I like Idaho a lot, been through it many times.
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from Paul:
The Triad is Idaho, Montana and Wyoming. If you already have ties there, it might be good enough (Boston will probably whack me for saying it ). I like Idaho a lot, been through it many times.
Actually, I've never "whacked" anybody for moving to (or remaining in)
Idaho or Montana vs. choosing Wyoming. It's close enough, and they're
both great states.
Boston
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This thread got sidetracked. I just can't resist the temptation though. My wife moved hear from Oklahoma and had all the same concerns about the weather too. That was BEFORE she realized that learning to ski meant that she got to buy an entirely new wardrobe. The modern fleece wear is really quite comfortable and fashionable. No bugs, no poison oak or poison ivey. Nowhere near as much fungus, mold or bacteria either. Winter is really enjoyable once you learn it. All cold means to us is that you use a hard wax and HAUL ASS! b
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Yeah, I've been battling poison oak and blackberries ever since I moved to Western Oregon over 30 years ago. Got a ton of it in my yard now. When I've gone out hunting I have to take a pruning shear in my back pocket to cut through the blackberry patches. It's getting old. :P
Of course the pests around Cody are not mosquitos, poison oak and blackberries, but grizzlies and wolves. :D The guy who is staying in our home there said he saw a small grizzly on the back porch one day.
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Most boards I'm on, gun-related or not, in the "from" field (where people put their state or region or something clever) I've put "Free State Wyoming" just to get the meme out there.
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Cool; thanks for that, Jared!
Boston