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Prospective Free State Wyoming (FSW) Members and Interested Parties => Prospective Free State Wyoming (FSW) Members and Interested Parties => Topic started by: HCM2B on August 13, 2011, 12:47:26 AM
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Hey Folks,
I wanted to write a quick intro so everyone knows some basics about me. First, I was born and raised in Wyoming. I've lived in MT, OR, NV, and now, finally, WY for good. I have worked in law enforcement for the gestapo, both local and federal. I found it did not agree with my sense of freedom or equality. I am now a professional firearms instructor. I live in Wheatland, and travel around the country and the world training people in tactical handgun, tactical rifle, tactical shotgun, and submachine gun techniques.
As I get more familiar with you all, I will share more about my background and current activities. Until then, I will describe my "why" with regard to Wyoming.
Of all the states I've visited and lived in, Wyoming is the most consistently free. It has its quirks, to be sure, but compared to the majority of other states, it allows the greatest degree of personal freedom. It is also home. Coupled with my yearning for home and "relative" freedom, I firmly believe that we, as a nation, are in for hard times. For this reason, my wife and I have paid off all but a smattering of debts, saved some money, and are in the process of buying some land to live on. We will be doing the gulch method...building a house debt free, growing our own food as much as possible, and preparing for the fights, both violent and legislative, that are sure to come.
The FSW project has always captured my attention. It, along with the other FS projects, represent some of the most sincere freedom loving people I have ever met. The goals of the FSW are in line with my own, the problems facing you all are shared by me, and the organization allows the free sharing of knowledge, ideas, and dreams. In a nutshell, it is what freedom in this country should be.
So I will end here, and get to know you all over the coming months. I will try to be a productive member. Please feel free to contact me regarding any topic at any time.
Thanks,
T
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Of all the states I've visited and lived in, Wyoming is the most consistently free. It has its quirks, to be sure, but compared to the majority of other states, it allows the greatest degree of personal freedom. It is also home.
Welcome home! I know I am a couple hundred miles away, but I hope it is close enough.
Coupled with my yearning for home and "relative" freedom, I firmly believe that we, as a nation, are in for hard times. For this reason, my wife and I have paid off all but a smattering of debts, saved some money, and are in the process of buying some land to live on.
Yes, indeed. And agreed. I wish your family all the best.
I have been working on my own garage/office project for a few years, and would be glad to share (my experience) with anyone who asks.
Edit: Fixed incomplete sentence.
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Welcome home! I know I am a couple hundred miles away, but I hope it is close enough.
...This is Wyoming. It seems that most everything is a couple hundred miles away :D
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Welcome, HCM2B! Hope you and your wife will be active here. We most definitely want and need good neighbors.
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Welcome back and home, HCM.
Terence
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Welcome! Be sure to let us know if you come to the Newcastle area.
Kelly
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We have actually not settled on living in the Wheatland area. Other areas we are looking at property near are Newcastle and Lusk. If anyone has any suggestions regarding land, please let me know.
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Lusk :o
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If anyone has any suggestions regarding land, please let me know.
I look at real estate sites all the time. Let me know what you are looking for/price range and I'll send along anything that matches.
As you probably know, anything with trees runs about $4K per acre around here.
Best of luck, all around!
Kelly
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Welcome, quite a few of us are always interested in firearms.
Looking forward to reading more of your introductions.
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Let me know what you are looking for/price range and I'll send along anything that matches.
We are searching for 20+ acres, preferably with some live water source, variety of topography, some trees, lots of grass, secluded but with reasonable access to a town, all for less than $80k. You know, that "perfect" piece of cheap property that doesn't exist. :D We don't really even care where it is. We have the luxury of being able to live anywhere as long as I have reasonable access to year-round air travel. Wheatland fits the bill now, letting me access Casper and Denver. Newcastle would give me Rapid City, Sheridan would give me Billings. The middle of the state is harder to justify for that reason - Casper is a second tier choice for air travel.
What we are finding here in Wheatland is about 40 acres of flat or hilly grassland, decent water, some live water, for $40,000 - $60,000. It's doable, but winter access is problematic, and the wind is atrocious. Ditto with Casper.
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"Live water" will be difficult to find. Not impossible, but very difficult.
I don't know of any FSW member that has live water on their property (besides me).
If there is, speak up!
Mac
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"Live water" will be difficult to find. Not impossible, but very difficult.
I don't know of any FSW member that has live water on their property (besides me).
If there is, speak up!
Mac
Does a spring that delivers 1/3 of a gallon a minute, summer and winter, into a large stock tank count as "live water" ? Every gallon produced by the spring that the cattle don't consume flows away down "stream" (running water) ;D
Do we qualify ?
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Do we qualify ?
I would think so, but Mac's "live water" was one heck of a lot more powerful this spring. >:D
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Do we qualify ?
I would think so, but Mac's "live water" was one heck of a lot more powerful this spring. >:D
Yup, but so was ours, the "live water" was as high in our drainage as we've seen in 20 years and that powerful live water washed out both of our crossings. The repairs to the crossings took lots of tractor work and plenty time too.
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Live water for my purposes means any naturally productive water source. In the case of the 1/3 gpm spring, that would be enough to sustain a couple of people with tight water rationing, but I would prefer a small creek or river. At least if SHTF, you have access to water. You may need to purify it, but it's there regardless of what the rest of the world is doing.
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In the case of the 1/3 gpm spring, that would be enough to sustain a couple of people with tight water rationing.
Maybe a few more folks than "a couple" ? That spring supplies 480 gallons each 24 hour day :o
"You may need to purify it, .........."
In this case, probably not ;)
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Maybe a few more folks than "a couple" ? That spring supplies 480 gallons each 24 hour day :o
I suppose it also depends on how much gardening and livestock watering you must do. I should have done the math...480 gal would supply 8 people, a nice garden, plus a couple of cows. That is a decent water source. 1/3gpm makes it sound so slow!
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Welcome home. ;D
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FWIW, I live at the very southeast corner of Wyoming, in the bluffs south of Pine Bluffs - it meets all my gulching requirements. Water, although not surface water, is no problem because the Ogallala aquifer underlies Niobrara, Goshen and Laramie counties. The water is moderately shallow and generally very good flowing. And because we have few trees, the price of land isn't ridiculous like it is in the Bear Lodge mountains, or in the hills that are at the edge of the Black Hills northeast of Newcastle. It's an easy drive into Cheyenne for a Walmart fix, and it's less than 2 hours to Denver airport which has a whole lot more options than Natrona County Airport, which I just read lost Allegiance for their normal seasonal shutdown. If you travel by air a lot from Wyoming, your options really are only at the edges of Wyoming - southeast corner (Denver), northeast corner (Rapid City), southwest corner (Salt Lake City) and Teton County (Jackson Hole). Plus it's the best weather in Wyoming! (I realize that's not saying much.)
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If you travel by air a lot from Wyoming, your options really are only at the edges of Wyoming - southeast corner (Denver), northeast corner (Rapid City), southwest corner (Salt Lake City) and Teton County (Jackson Hole). Plus it's the best weather in Wyoming! (I realize that's not saying much.)
Don't forget Gillette. That's where I fly in to/out of all the time. No backscatter there yet and free parking!
Kelly
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@Don, that is why we came back to the Wheatland area. Land is very reasonably priced, as you noted. The only gripe I have is the wind. I haven't yet looked down toward Pine Bluffs, but have seen a couple of nice parcels near Hawk Springs. I think, realistically, that we are going to stay in the Wheatland area. The more I think about it, the more it makes sense. For all the reasons you described, plus giving the kids some stability in their lives, Wheatland makes more sense. We'll see how it goes. I'll always be open to any place for the right opportunity.