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Prospective Free State Wyoming (FSW) Members and Interested Parties => Prospective Free State Wyoming (FSW) Members and Interested Parties => Topic started by: KTKEWW on May 13, 2012, 03:17:09 PM
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I want to bring my wife and three kids out to the redoubt ASAP. Just screening the internet and printing, sorting, and finalizing lists of weather, health, environment, population, natural disasters, highways, state/national parks, wildlife and the such, we seem to be drawn to the NE WY region every time a new criteria pops up. Don’t get me wrong, ID & MT seem attractive too, as we are something of amateur survivalists (without much practical application), but the people in a community, however wide spread it is, are a MAJOR factor in the decision process as well.
We are looking for a region that we can settle into without disrupting what is already in place, building a better, healthier, life for our small children, continue to grow our knowledge and understanding of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness while following the two basic rules of life (Natural Law) as was so aptly described in BTP’s You & The Police.
1. “Do all you have agreed to do, and
2. Do not encroach on other persons or their property.”
Having opened our eyes a few years ago on the fragility of…well…America in its current state, the survivalist mind set has settled in pretty deep to our psyche. I’ll save the potential rants for a more appropriate conversation as I feel I may be stating the obvious with the given audience.
We’re currently 1,300 miles away from the home land starting to put together a plan to tour the region extensively this year. Our RV has been on the market for about a year now, and by providence, has not slipped through our fingers. After the most recent “run-in” with the city’s zoning department over bringing in 30 ton (not much considering that were spreading it flat across ¼ acre of the back yard) of dirt to level ruts and a low spot in our yard without asking permission & paying 25 bucks, the motivation has reappeared to get busy moving or get busy dying.
The current plan is to pack up the RV with the Family and set out to Weston & Crook Counties. Spend a few days or more in each area, fall in love, and see what follows.
As I need to get this posted and move on about my day today, I’ll leave it at this, asking for any advice, guidance, help and the like. You’ll see me around the forum here and there asking a lot of questions, as much as I do not like to test the waters w/ both feet, I’d rather do all of this now while the opportunity still exists.
Thanks for any help ahead of time…
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Well, dog gonnit, you sound like a natural. Get out here soon as you can. If you can make it to the June Jamboree, all the better. In any case, I hope you will come to visit us here in the NE corner... We think we have the best part of Wyoming. ::) You'll have to come see and make up your own minds.
Welcome! I'm eager to meet you all.
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Welcome,
We are in the middle of the state should you want information about that area.
Brandy ~W~
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I live in Crook County. Near Devil's Tower. Please ask if you want to find out anything.
Better yet, search around the forum here. Lots has been said and discussed and debated over the years.
It would be great if you could indeed come out and join us for our Jam at the end of June. A perfect place for an RV.
Mac
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I don't live in Wyoming but I've really become fond of the Newcastle area. Small town but near lots of things. I have relatives who live in the western part of the state & claim it's better. ;D
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KTKEWW
Welcome to our little "slice of hope" forum. Spend time reviewing the various fora and you will learn a lot about us. As ML (Mamaliberty) says, you sound a lot like our bunch already...
Regards, Danl ~W~
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Thanks for the quick replies,
Danl, I did not know that forum had a plural form…fora, I like it.
By the numbers, and from a Google Maps “little yellow dude who sees too much” tour, Newcastle has struck a chord with us. Does anyone have any contacts at the Wyoming Refining Company? I am not of retirement age yet and will need to find gainful employment until we get the homestead self-sufficient. I work at a refinery currently and am waiting for a call back from a man there to discuss potential jobs. Obviously my credentials would not check out with anyone who knows anyone there as no one reading this knows us, yet, gotta ask though!
Manfromnevada, neat to see you reply, I believe it was your blog that I just finished reading about setting up your dream home. Sounds like you have made it to where you want to be in life, and seeing you active on the forum is encouraging to know that the FSW community is alive and well. As a side note, I read BTP’s ML a few years back thinking that it was a total work of fiction. It struck me as a Galt’s Gulch in a grander scale. So to find that FSW is not just a figment of someone’s imagination makes me happy, even if our family cannot physically be a part of it. Hat’s off to Boston et al.
ML, as I have seen many people refer to you, we’d love to make it to the jam, but it’s not in the cards this year, previous engagements some 1300 miles away. We’re making a note of it for next year though.
Questions we have been kicking around…
1/ The worst creature in our neck of the woods, other than the two legged variety, is the brown recluse and occasional black widow, neither of which means instant death. I have seen data indicating that rattlers are present, what other animals would we have to be aware of (as I know of VERY few unprovoked animal attacks in nature)? And in what volume or frequency is actual contact with said animals?
2/ Are there any Appleseed shoots in the area? If so, what is the turnout like?
3/ For the proponents of Crook and Weston, how is the county government/Sheriff’s Dept?
4/ How is the gardening in the region? The pictures of area make it all look fairly dry, data indicates ~157 growing days. I have not seen any comments or information about the soil or quality of farm/gardens.
5/ Finally, same area, grocery stores and general goods stores. How far (time wise, let’s say from downtown), and what quality of goods will I find when I get there? Or will I have to rely on FedEx or the like?
Thanks again…
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I have seen data indicating that rattlers are present, what other animals would we have to be aware of (as I know of VERY few unprovoked animal attacks in nature)? And in what volume or frequency is actual contact with said animals?
I live just outside Hulett, and there is talk of a mountain lion "somewhere out there". I saw a red fox a few times, and once I thought I saw a badger.
4/ How is the gardening in the region? The pictures of area make it all look fairly dry, data indicates ~157 growing days. I have not seen any comments or information about the soil or quality of farm/gardens.
Sometimes there is a fair bit of rain, but usually not so much. I think most gardeners don't plant much outside until late May as frost is possible until June. This year has felt a lot warmer, and we felt lucky, so we already have our garden mostly planted. We started a lot indoors, especially tomatoes. We have some of the plants protected with clear plastic.
The soil can be "okay" in some places, but generally it is not very good and not very deep. We have gone to square foot gardening with a special soil mix that the plants really like. The book is literally, "Square Foot Gardening" and is easy to follow.
5/ Finally, same area, grocery stores and general goods stores. How far (time wise, let’s say from downtown), and what quality of goods will I find when I get there? Or will I have to rely on FedEx or the like?
Most every town should have a grocery store that has all the basics. You can probably expect the local store to be about 10% to 30% (guessing) higher than the Super-Walmart fifty miles down the road. It's not that bad once you get used to it, just plan ahead.
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ML, as I have seen many people refer to you, we’d love to make it to the jam, but it’s not in the cards this year, previous engagements some 1300 miles away. We’re making a note of it for next year though.
That's too bad. We'll hope to see you next year then... all things being equal. :)
I have seen data indicating that rattlers are present, what other animals would we have to be aware of (as I know of VERY few unprovoked animal attacks in nature)? And in what volume or frequency is actual contact with said animals?
I'm sure the contact rate varies a great deal, depending on where you are, what you do and the time of year. Up at my place, only a little outside of town, we have a resident mountain lion - just for instance. He has been here for about 15 years and has never, to my knowledge, bothered any livestock or threatened any person. He is a big help, however, in keeping the deer and other varmint populations manageable.
There are snakes here, but I've never seen or heard a rattler. The only snake I've seen is a long yellow "racer" of some kind. Nobody here would harm any snake deliberately unless they were a real threat. You just wear boots and take a stick when you walk in the woods or grasslands.
I've heard tell of bears and other critters, but they don't bother us. I saw a wolf once, and they can be a big problem for the ranchers, but I don't think they would be to those who live close to towns.
2/ Are there any Appleseed shoots in the area? If so, what is the turnout like?
We had a few here in the area and did ok. If you want to organize them, my gun club would be tickled.
3/ For the proponents of Crook and Weston, how is the county government/Sheriff’s Dept?
County government is pretty typical of this part of Wyoming. Mostly just the taxes. Don't hear much from them otherwise. The sheriff here in Weston is an oathkeeper and a good guy... still an elected politician, but I think he's a straight shooter. We've been friends for several years now. The roads are fairly well maintained and you have to work hard to attract enough attention to get a "ticket." Just don't be foolish and you'll seldom even see the town police or any sheriff's vehicles.
4/ How is the gardening in the region? The pictures of area make it all look fairly dry, data indicates ~157 growing days. I have not seen any comments or information about the soil or quality of farm/gardens.
Some areas are ok for gardens, and a lot of areas have little but nasty clay and rocks for "soil." You'll have to look and be careful what you buy. A greenhouse would be best for the greatest production over the longest period. The good part is that there are plenty of horses and other sources for compost here. You just have to figure out how to transport it. Water is a concern, so make sure you will have sufficient water where you plan to live. The greatest problem with gardens here is wind, hail and drought. Oh, and DEER. Deer is a two part word here. It's pronounced DAMNED DEER. You have to fence your stuff and that's expensive if you build a tall and stout enough fence to keep them out.
5/ Finally, same area, grocery stores and general goods stores. How far (time wise, let’s say from downtown), and what quality of goods will I find when I get there? Or will I have to rely on FedEx or the like?
Newcastle has two nice grocery stores, both independently owned and locally operated. They compete, and I split my buying between them so they can continue to do so. :) I'm only about 1 1/2 mile from town, so it is no problem to shop unless the snow is very deep. I just plan ahead. We even have a full service health food store, and a co-op for fresh fruits and vegetables. http://bountifulbaskets.org/
All of the goods and services available here are in the same range of quality as you'd find anywhere else. We have two hardware stores, one of which sells lumber and other construction materials. Of COURSE it is somewhat more expensive than in the city, so if you need more than a little it might be worth driving the 80 miles to one of the three cities around us. For a handful of nails or a drip fitting, downtown works fine.
Newcastle has every kind of store and service you will probably ever want or need. I used to drive to Spearfish or Gillette (two of the three cities) at least once a month to shop, but have not gone in over a year now. I'm all alone and don't buy much at a time, so it got to be more expensive to drive than to just buy what I need in town. I save gas, money and time. Some of us car pool for town runs, and most combine visits to the city with other needs such as a doctor's appointment or a gun show.
Newcastle has a nice little hospital and medical clinic, with three doctors. As in most rural areas, medical service is somewhat limited, and most folks go to the city for the big stuff. We also have lawyers, civil engineers, computer repair and lots else. We don't always have a barber, for some weird reason. They tell me most men would rather go to the women hair dressers these days. Can't see it myself, but oh well.
Newcastle has a nice assortment of churches, clubs, civic groups, charities and town activities. The library is excellent and well run. We have a nice private gun club, with an indoor range available all year. Dues are very low. http://www.westoncountyshooting.com/
As for the refinery, I have no idea if or when they might need someone, but it is a going and GROWING concern, so your chances would be good.
UPS and FedX deliver daily here, just in case you want to buy something on line. :)
Hope that helps! Please feel free to ask if I missed anything. ML
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2/ Are there any Appleseed shoots in the area? If so, what is the turnout like?
As the SC for appleseed in WY, I have tried to schedule at least one bootcamp and 4-5 shoots in the state every year. Some years more... some less. Normally one in the Weston/Crook area. If you have AS questions feel free to PM me
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This isn't a response to the original poster but to all the replies instead. Thank you, from someone who didn't even ask the questions. Maybe I haven't been able to put it into writing correctly, but this thread has answered more of my own questions than any post I've made myself. Thanks for all the info from everyone, ML especially. You always seem to be extra helpful. In debating between Sundance and Newcastle, I was initially leaning toward Sundance. But you paint a very tempting picture of Newcastle. Wherever we land (my wife and I), we're all set to make the trek to WY later this year.
I'm beginning to have some doubts, however. My question isn't "is ASAP soon enough?" but rather, "is Wyoming REMOTE/FREE enough?" It's becoming ever more apparent to me that the United States is already a police state. And I fear that no place within its borders will be safe in a few years time. Do any of you Free Staters have any idea where you expect to be when the Big Takeover occurs? Do you think you'll be able to hold out against the powers that be, or merely resist as long as possible only to be the last hold outs to go down?
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My question isn't "is ASAP soon enough?" but rather, "is Wyoming REMOTE/FREE enough?"
Nobody knows or ever can know. The possibilities are far too varied and unpredictable.
There is no place on earth that is "safe." Never was, and never will be. Relative safety has to be created minute by minute, incident by incident from scratch... awareness, planning, luck and a good community all help, but there are no guarantees anywhere, any time.
We plan and prepare as much as possible for that unknown. That's all anyone really can do. :)
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ML, about your deer (they’re here too) I have not tried this trick yet but the people who have swear by it; run fishing line at 2’, 4’, & 6’ levels – about 15’ from the perimeter of your garden w/ ribbons tied on every 6-8’ (to remind you it’s there).This will confuse walking deer when they bump into something they cannot see. Won’t do anything for rabbits and such, but they say it keeps the deer away. That and human hair spread around the boarder of the garden (may be why y‘all don’t have barbers)…
We are thrilled to hear about the health food store and the co-op.
Even where I live, I factor in money spent per trip on gas to town vs. the local lumber store and meat market. The business list you gave sounds like Newcastle is a very complete town. Only thing I did not see was some type of coin/bullion/barter(pawn)/book/non-electric/gun/ammo/camping/military surplus type store… OK, so that store does not exist here either but if I can’t find work I’ll have to make work. Think I’d have any shoppers?
As for AS, I’m just a HUGE fan and supporter, I don’t want to have my children miss out on that experience when they grow up, only being able to go 1x per year on a long road trip. I am sure we will be in touch with you Colonial when we get our boots on the ground.
RBW, I had to read and re-read your comment to see if I heard what I thought I read. While I am glad this thread is helping us all, I sure hope I am not misjudging the FSW group. The way I understand the whole program in one sentence or less is; While studying & understanding the patterns and cycles of history and finance, looking at a map as if you and yours gets to pick anywhere in the world/country to live (knowing that living is more than just being alive) and choosing somewhere that is favorable to the conditions you foresee to plant your family before your current location, and political climate get bulldozed by unthinking, short sited, high stationed, idiots, and staying clear of other people’s business while conducting your own as justly and morally as possible (this is hard to do in “one sentence or less”!!!) as peaceably as possible; I see the intent of FSW to be clear (as in, not near the populace which is being corralled) of any future, potential, complete, police/nanny state actions, let alone any (or most) major natural disasters that befall other locations in the country with self-sustainability paramount and geographically distanced from the hand out state and separated from those with their hands out. And…exhale!
Well, if I’m too far off from my assessment, which I do not think I am, I’ll be signing off and looking to other areas of the country with the morals closer aligned to mine.
Thanks again for the well written and thought out replies. I guess it did not take long to let a lil’ rant slip out, hope it does not offend those that matter. The internet still scares me, especially when there are lead on questions formatted in a way that sounds like a G-Man fishing expedition. If that’s not you wolf man, read your post objectively prior to posting. Think “interpretation” while doing so. MHO
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This isn't a response to the original poster but to all the replies instead. Thank you, from someone who didn't even ask the questions. Maybe I haven't been able to put it into writing correctly, but this thread has answered more of my own questions than any post I've made myself. Thanks for all the info from everyone, ML especially. You always seem to be extra helpful. In debating between Sundance and Newcastle, I was initially leaning toward Sundance. But you paint a very tempting picture of Newcastle. Wherever we land (my wife and I), we're all set to make the trek to WY later this year.
I'm beginning to have some doubts, however. My question isn't "is ASAP soon enough?" but rather, "is Wyoming REMOTE/FREE enough?" It's becoming ever more apparent to me that the United States is already a police state. And I fear that no place within its borders will be safe in a few years time. Do any of you Free Staters have any idea where you expect to be when the Big Takeover occurs? Do you think you'll be able to hold out against the powers that be, or merely resist as long as possible only to be the last hold outs to go down?
The "takeover" has already occurred. If anything, being around fewer people buys a little time and a little freedom.
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ML, about your deer (they’re here too) I have not tried this trick yet but the people who have swear by it; run fishing line at 2’, 4’, & 6’ levels – about 15’ from the perimeter of your garden w/ ribbons tied on every 6-8’
Tried the hair... nada. And my garden is fenced. The other five acres I can't do much about. I have planted several hundred trees all over this place and the deer keep most of them chewed down to a few inches growth a year. sigh I'm afraid fishing line strung all over would play hell with the young man that mows my weeds. LOL
Only thing I did not see was some type of coin/bullion/barter(pawn)/book/non-electric/gun/ammo/camping/military surplus type store… OK, so that store does not exist here either but if I can’t find work I’ll have to make work. Think I’d have any shoppers?
Oh yeah. I think quite a few of us would love to see some sort of trading post/gunsmith/survivalist store here.
Thanks again for the well written and thought out replies. I guess it did not take long to let a lil’ rant slip out, hope it does not offend those that matter.
You are welcome. And don't be afraid to post the occasional rant. Everyone else does. :)
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KTK, I apologize for hijacking your thread. I'm not "fishing." Believe me. I'm as reluctant to use the web as you are, if not more so. This is one of exactly two websites that I use. This is also the reason that I have foregone introducing myself on the forum. I make a habit of keeping my personal information as personal as possible. I hope this doesn’t come as an affront to others on the forum, but I figure when I arrive and meet some folks in person, they can get to know me then. And of course you can glean some information from those thoughts I do see fit to post. But once I get to Wyoming, my use of the forum will most likely drop to near zero.
It seems that our individual intentions are very much aligned in terms of making a break for WY. While I think your assessment of the goals of the so-called movement, for a much appreciated lack of a better term, is accurate, I’m just curious to hear from some of those already in the state what they foresee for the future. I assume most anyone who might be reading this is aware of the light to medium duty totalitarianism on display in our nation already. Information is being controlled. The citizens are being monitored. And constitutional rights, what were those again? It seems clear that likeminded people congregating together in a remote territory and practicing self-sufficiency stand a better chance of dodging the oppressive arm of the police state than those trapped in Los Angeles or New York City. But are they better off anywhere in the US than someone in, say, a third world country in South America with a barely functional government? If gigantic, overbearing government is the enemy of liberty wouldn’t it seem that small, infantile, ineffectual government is better?
Obviously Wyoming is the site of the Free State phenomenon for a reason, and I’m looking forward to experiencing it for myself. But lately I’ve been wondering: what do some of the Free State folks intend to do when Big Brother upgrades from the fine 100-grit sandpaper, totalitarian rubdown that we’ve been receiving for the past several decades, to the full scale 15-grit electric belt sander stripping to the bare metal that we’re due for in the not-too-distant future? I know the fine folks here will tell me that each person can only speak for themselves, and that they have no collective plan per se. But I’d just like to know what plans, if any, some of you folks out there have for the inescapable population lock down for which we’re all headed. Do you think the mountainous and inhospitable terrain of Wyoming will provide enough cover for those who refuse to be corralled as human cattle? Or will you have to engage in guerilla style anti-aircraft attacks against the drone planes patrolling all of North America?
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But I’d just like to know what plans, if any, some of you folks out there have for the inescapable population lock down for which we’re all headed. Do you think the mountainous and inhospitable terrain of Wyoming will provide enough cover for those who refuse to be corralled as human cattle?
RaisedByWolves,
From what I understand, individuals are not moving themselves and their families to Wyoming to hide or take "cover". I'm under the impression they are going in an attempt to lead healthier lives among people with similar core values. I have a feeling people participating in this forum are well aware of ALL the "impending doom" scenerios and that's what they're preparing for, to the best of their ability. Call me crazy, but I doubt people on here are going to broadcast their "Plan B" on a public website.
A positive attitude and a solid plan for self-protection and self-preservation/sufficiency will go a long way for any of us considering the move. I think Wyoming sounds lovely and I'm really looking forward to Jamboree to get the feel for the area and current residents!
KTKEWW,
Great questions! And thanks to all those who replied, too- I've enjoyed the information shared in this thread. I would definitely shop/trade at your ammo/bullion/surplus store!
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is Wyoming REMOTE/FREE enough?
Keep in mind the actual threats one faces. Mostly it is due to local enforcement: A bureaucrat telling you what you can do with your stuff; a cop harrassing you on the road, handing out citations for this and that, taking you down or searching through your car and planting stuff; "horizontal enforcement" by neighbors who think it's their business to stick their nose in your business. One is very unlikely almost anywhere to run into enforcement from federal goons, despite a lot of high profile noise on the Internet. When the Empire crashes and food riots are happening in the big cities, again they will have their hands full with that.
So, Wyoming is almost ideal in my view, even compared to foreign countries. It's high in "gun nuttery". People tend not to push others around here. Being a small town state, the enforcers have to live among those whom they enforce against. Despite a very high percentage of government employees (something Wyoming shares with all states of low population density) they tend not to mess with people too much - government employment is almost more a form of welfare than anything. There are exceptions of course, but social pressures do a lot to keep the enforcers halfway decent at least. Wyoming also has a "mind your own business" culture (which is hard to explain in an area where gossip is so rampant, but it seems to be the case). I suppose people like to know what their neighbors are about, but if they aren't on the same wavelength they just leave them alone.
Weston and Crook counties are small town counties in a small town state. Even better. They are nice enough places, but not so nice (compared to Cody or Sheridan or Jackson) that they draw yuppies and "improvers", people who like to appropriate tax money to fund their pet projects. A dead car on the street is not going to draw a lot of attention.
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Excellent insight as usual, Paul. Thanks again.
You always seem to be the one who's on my wavelength, to use your own terminology.
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Since this thread went a dozen directions, here is my .02FRNs...
Wyoming is overwhelmingly conservative. Libertarians tend to be viewed as liberals...and with the same contempt. However, those conservatives tend to mind their own business and leave their neighbors alone.
The internet has killed or mortally wounded most small niche businesses, that includes surplus stores. There were two in casper ten years ago. One is closed and the other is a yuppie camping store.
I do not know what will keep the deer out of your grocery patch. I know the taller the fence, the bigger the deer that can get over. A bigger appetite comes with the larger deer. A 6' fence will keep a 140# german shepard inside your garden...that tends to discourage the deer.
As to escaping the inevitable police state...Would you rather stand with your neighbors in defiance or bow to TPTB in submission?f Safety or freedom? This is a deeply personal choice that only you can answer.
pW
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I do not know what will keep the deer out of your grocery patch. I know the taller the fence, the bigger the deer that can get over. A bigger appetite comes with the larger deer. A 6' fence will keep a 140# german shepard inside your garden...that tends to discourage the deer.
:o It's amazing, however, how high even the little ones can jump. The deer totally ignored my 40# mutt. Love the idea of a 140# dog, but I'm afraid I couldn't afford to feed it. Unless I could shoot the deer, of course. Can't get there from here... sigh
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Pedro, thanks for bringing the thread somewhat back together in answering a few of the original questions. Bummer to hear about the Casper shops, in a different environment/society they are just the type of place to base a hub of commerce.
With regards to Safety and Freedom, I think the fact that we are all trying to feel out your neighborhoods is so that when the curtain gets pulled back, we are already amongst like minded individuals. The amount of people in direct contact with you, who “saw it coming”, will not need to get through the multiple stages of understanding the new reality. At least it will not take as long, which will put us ahead of the curve.
Come to think about it, the only real decision I have left to make is not as much why I would go to WY, but why not.
Paul, “Weston and Crook counties are small town counties in a small town state. Even better.” sounds just right to me.
RBW, no hard feelings man, :D for those of us wrestling with the emotions of uprooting our lives and geographically dislocating ourselves from friends and family is a heavy burden to bear. I’m just not going out to look for a fight, if something comes up though, I would want the best by my side.
For freedom, only God knows what I am willing and able to do to achieve that for my family.
For further posts and threads… I’ll try to keep it specific… I know, I know, I’m a rookie. :-\
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Do any of you Free Staters have any idea where you expect to be when the Big Takeover occurs? Do you think you'll be able to hold out against the powers that be, or merely resist as long as possible only to be the last hold outs to go down?
. . . But I’d just like to know what plans, if any, some of you folks out there have for the inescapable population lock down for which we’re all headed.
RBW, unless you want to seem hinky, stop asking questions like these.
They are not appropriate.
Boston
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Although I'm not 100% clear on the definition of "hinky," reading in context, I get the point.
I have to say I'm surprised that, not just one, but several of you read my question that way. On the other hand, I have to admire this level of paranoia. I'm not trying to suss out the location of anyone's bunker.
I was trying to ask, generally speaking, if folks are of the run-and-hide notion or of the stand-together-and-fight mind set.
Clearly it's every man for himself.
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Although I'm not 100% clear on the definition of "hinky," reading in context, I get the point.
I have to say I'm surprised that, not just one, but several of you read my question that way. On the other hand, I have to admire this level of paranoia. I'm not trying to suss out the location of anyone's bunker.
I was trying to ask, generally speaking, if folks are of the run-and-hide notion or of the stand-together-and-fight mind set.
Clearly it's every man for himself.
Regardless, I don't think most people want to go into that with strangers over a public message board. If anything, free staters value privacy.
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OK, as the original poster, and the new guy, I think this thread has gone off, back on, and is now sliding off topic yet again. :'(
To the moderator, or whoever has the ability, it would not hurt my feelings to see this thread get locked out. If people want to continue the conversation elsewhere, they can try to start their own thread on their own topic.
To everyone who has given fruitful feedback, I greatly appreciate it and look forward to further communication.
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I have to say I'm surprised that, not just one, but several of you read my question that way. On the other hand, I have to admire this level of paranoia.
Wise wariness is not paranoia.
I was trying to ask, generally speaking, if folks are of the run-and-hide notion or of the stand-together-and-fight mind set.
Why would you think anybody would answer such a question?
Clearly it's every man for himself.
Not quite. It's every stranger for himself.
Come out to meet us at the Jam, . . . stranger!
;)
Boston
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Foundit, duly noted and appreciated.
Boston, fair enough. And thanks for finishing up with a friendly rejoinder. I will make an effort to attend a jam and make myself less strange.
For the record, I was not using paranoia in the pejorative sense. I consider myself a proud practicioner of practical paranoia. Just because you're paranoid- well, you know.