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Free State Wyoming (FSW) Promotional => Marketing and Media Coverage of Free State Wyoming (FSW) => Topic started by: Terence on May 28, 2012, 05:48:34 AM
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In this May 1st, 2012 interview Joel Skousen explores various end-game
scenarios for the US. FSP and Wyoming are mentioned 30 min. into the interview:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLrSmdzsIEM
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Argh, another video, and a long one at that!
I can skim a transcript a lot faster than I can watch a video played at normal speed. On my internet connection, they sputter and pause for buffering more than they play, though! I don't have an hour to wait for the video to get to the 30 minute mark!
(end rant) ;)
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I liked this interview. I'll leave the last 10 minutes for those who are interested in watching, as Skousen made a very good point about calling attention to oneself. Also mentions the FSProject and the East coast not being a strategic relocation spot. When I have an hour and a half I'll probably look up Joel Skousen's Secrets of Survival video, as he made many solid points throughout this interview.
At the 24-25 minute mark he shares a prediction for a trigger of war concerning North and South Korea, including how "our troops are maintained there as cannon fodder" and how others will step in to "stop the bully of the world" once bloodshed has started.
About 28:30 Skousen says, "they want to make sure there is enough destruction in the US to drive the American people into complete dispair so that they throw down all their bearers and just say to the government, 'save us,'."
In my opinion, a 40 minute video worth watching. Thanks for sharing, Terence.
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Also mentions the FSProject and the East coast not being a strategic relocation spot.
Yep.
I tried to tell them that in 12/2003 right after their vote, but . . .
Boston
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Also mentions the FSProject and the East coast not being a strategic relocation spot.
Yep.
I tried to tell them that in 12/2003 right after their vote, but . . .
Well, they do have their international border and coastline...
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Also mentions the FSProject and the East coast not being a strategic relocation spot.
Yep.
I tried to tell them that in 12/2003 right after their vote, but . . .
Well, they do have their international border and coastline...
I've since purchased Joel's book, "Strategic Relocation" and he elaborates on his
conclusions about the Free State Movement in his notes on Wyoming:
"Wyoming came in second for the Free State Movement - an effort by libertarians to build
up enough like-minded people in a state to gain a majority and turn it into a haven of liberty.
New Hampshire won out but the movement failed there because it caused too much resentment
among existing residents. We would have picked Wyoming."
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Er, I think it's a bit too early to write off FSP yet...
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Er, I think it's a bit too early to write off FSP yet...
Yeah, I think Joel's bias (Very well informed) against the highly populated
states in the NE creeped in on that statement. On a brighter note, he does specify
emergency retreat areas in the Adirondacks in North Vermont and New York.
Terence
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Wyoming came in second for the Free State Movement - an effort by libertarians to build
up enough like-minded people in a state to gain a majority and turn it into a haven of liberty.
New Hampshire won out but the movement failed there because it caused too much resentment
among existing residents. We would have picked Wyoming."
I agree with Joel.
While the FSP has many good people there with energy
and intelligence, there is only so much some 1,500 folks
can do in a state of 1,250,000.
And, they'll find out soon enough what a countervailing
disadvantage being back East really is. NH will probably be
subject to a different kind of relocation wave as liberal
hordes flee from NY and Mass.
Nonetheless, I do continue to wish the FSP well!
Boston
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I find these end game what ifs fun but tiring. It's difficult to know what will happen if/when things go bad.
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I find these end game what ifs fun but tiring. It's difficult to know what will happen if/when things go bad.
Sure, but parsing through them is the cost of avoidance. There's only a few trusted
sources worth vetting, anyway. Limiting it to those few brings it back to fun and makes it profitable. :)
Terence
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Wyoming came in second for the Free State Movement - an effort by libertarians to build
up enough like-minded people in a state to gain a majority and turn it into a haven of liberty.
New Hampshire won out but the movement failed there because it caused too much resentment
among existing residents. We would have picked Wyoming."
. . .
And, they'll find out soon enough what a countervailing
disadvantage being back East really is. NH will probably be
subject to a different kind of relocation wave as liberal
hordes flee from NY and Mass.
. . .
Liberal hordes fleeing from the consequences of their own creation?
That makes NH a relocation option if you don't mind moving twice.
Terence
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Yeah, even if FSP flops, the FSP people still exist. A goodly number of them would move west. Now the question is, do we want them? :D
I still think they can make a go of it.
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As a resident of Iowa, I sometimes wonder how bad things would need to be for the civil authority here to drop the bridges over the Mississippi River. Or for a less extreme option, close them to car & bus traffic.
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As a resident of Iowa, I sometimes wonder how bad things would need to be for the civil authority here to drop the bridges over the Mississippi River. Or for a less extreme option, close them to car & bus traffic.
I think this is a very interesting and pertinent question. What if the city dwellers started getting hungry and decided to go raid the farmlands?
I think the government is well aware of the resources of the country. And they know that food and energy are vital, generally in the national sense and specifically to their own well being. So I have been thinking that in case of national emergency, the government will do everything it can to preserve the food and energy production.
Following this thought, I think that the government will actively prevent the city refugees/looters from interfering (and destroying) farmlands and energy producing areas. This then implies that the rural areas (with resources) will probably be protected so that they can continue to produce food and energy that the government craves.
I see a possibility that the cities will be turned into refugee camps with strong controls on movement and the rural areas will become colonies that will be pretty much left alone (and protected) as long as they keep producing for the system.
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Following this thought, I think that the government will actively prevent the city refugees/looters from interfering (and destroying) farmlands and energy producing areas. This then implies that the rural areas (with resources) will probably be protected so that they can continue to produce food and energy that the government craves.
I see a possibility that the cities will be turned into refugee camps with strong controls on movement and the rural areas will become colonies that will be pretty much left alone (and protected) as long as they keep producing for the system.
Of course, this assumes the people in government truly understand that food doesn't come from a store & gas doesn't come from a tank.
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But the government wouldn’t want the farmlands to be privately controlled; they would want them to be under the government thumb “for the greater good of all”.
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I see a possibility that the cities will be turned into refugee camps with strong controls on movement and the rural areas will become colonies that will be pretty much left alone (and protected) as long as they keep producing for the system.
While walking with a friend in a big city, recently, he looked up at a 10-story condo and
said, "That's what the prisons in North Korea look like. These people have already jailed themselves!"
I'd say your right, Richard.
Terence
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Richard, you may be assuming too much intelligence among the parasite class. First thing they are going to do, is collectivise the farms. They won't call it that, of course, but that is what they will do. Farmers will turn into serfs on their own land. Of course, production will drop and that will lead to more starvation...
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Richard, you may be assuming too much intelligence among the parasite class.
Yes, I could be assuming too much intelligence in the parasites (politicians). At face value, this seems quite likely.
However, I suspect the possibility of a highly intelligent malevolent force higher than the politicians, a force that dictates their obedience on important matters (and allows complete latitude where it doesn't care.) I suspect this force is behind the deliberate destruction of the economy, in order to create a new world comprised of serfs and party members. (Read 1984 again for an apt refresher.)
First thing they are going to do, is collectivise the farms. They won't call it that, of course, but that is what they will do. Farmers will turn into serfs on their own land. Of course, production will drop and that will lead to more starvation...
That is certainly one possibility. If the high power desires a massive decrease in population, this would be a very convenient way to accomplish that.