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Wyoming Research and Information => General Wyoming Living Information => Topic started by: Eudaimonia on January 19, 2013, 07:10:39 PM
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I am new to this forum.
This is my first post.
As I am unfamiliar with this forum, I apologize in advance if I am posting in the wrong place or if this is one of those annoying questions that you all get constantly.
I live in CT.
Due to the hopelessness of CT politics, my wife and I decided about six months ago to prepare to move to Wyoming.
Since then, it has become obvious that the CT legislature intends to ban as many firearms as they can get away with.
This has forced us to change our intended time table for relocation.
Does anyone here know what the Wyoming statutes are for establishing residency?
Quicker is better than slower.
I would like to transport my firearms to my new residence while it is still legal to possess them.
Thanks in advance.
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Residency for the state of Wyoming begins upon arrival to the state if the intent is to become a resident, ie voting purposes, etc. You must be in the state for a full six months to establish residency for concealed permit and a year for hunting purposes.
Brandy ~W~
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Residency for the state of Wyoming begins upon arrival to the state if the intent is to become a resident, ie voting purposes, etc.
I'm sure you're right, the residency start right away but I read somewhere you have to live there 30 days before you can vote. Does that sound right?
You must be in the state for a full six months to establish residency for concealed permit and a year for hunting purposes.
Good to know.
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I think that everywhere I've lived, you have to register to vote 30 days before the election in order to vote in it. That's all that the "30 days before you can vote" refers to.
There might still be a few places that allow you to register at the polling place right before voting, but I've never lived in one of them!
So, the day you arrive, or as soon as you have an address...go change your driver's license, register the vehicle(s), and register to vote. You're a resident! :)
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There might still be a few places that allow you to register at the polling place right before voting, but I've never lived in one of them!
So you have been to Chicago before. Vote early, vote offend, and vote where ever you can, and just because your dead, does not mean you can not vote ether.
Dawg
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Thank you for your responses.
So, from what I'm reading, I would have to
1) Rent a physical address which can be used on a drivers license.
2) Get a drivers license.
3) Legally move my firearms from CT to WY.
Unless the first 2 items can be done online, this would require a minimum of two trips.
I doubt a PO box and storage facility unit would suffice for a drivers license, but if it could, that would probably be the cheapest solution.
Any other thoughts on ultra-cheap monthly rents which can be used for a drivers license as a temporary address until we make the full move?
Thanks for your responses.
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The VOTER requirement is separate from the gun ownership requirement. Has NOTHING to do with owning guns.
A driver's license may be obtained on the FIRST day. A rental agreement or lease will suffice. They've added a few things since the National ID Act.
http://www.dot.state.wy.us/wydot/driver_license_records
This tells you what you need.
But also, being a resident of WY for gun purposes also has nothing to do with having a driver's license, although that certainly adds credibility. I believe that simply having the "intent" of making WY your residence is sufficient. But this is a world of documents these days.
You could do this:
1. Find someone who will rent an old "cabin" to you for $50/month. Have them provide a rental agreement.
2. Drive to WY, get your WY DL, and rent a storage locker. Put your valuables in there. One trip.
3. Return to your previous residence to pack and move the rest of your belongings.
Also, WY has NO state income tax. Always an advantage to be a resident here.
Mac
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From the WY DOT website I referenced above. Due to the national ID Act some things have changed.
Proof of Identity: One of these needs to be presented.
1. Certified copy of a birth certificate. This will include original birth certificates and certified copies.
2. Marriage Certificate/Divorce Decree (when last name used is different from birth name – or to return to using birth name.)
3. Valid unexpired U.S. passport (may be used in lieu of marriage certificate if contains married last name.)
4. Consular report of birth aboard. There are three forms; FS-240, DS-1350 or FS-545.
5. Certificate of citizenship. Form N-560 or N-561
6. Certificate of naturalization. Form N-550 or N-570
7. Permanent resident card. Form I-551
8. Employment authorization document (EAD). Form I-766 or I-688B
9. Valid foreign passport. (When affixed with a United States VISA and accompanied by an approved document documenting the applicant’s most recent admittance to the United States). Form I-94
10. State-issued driver’s license or ID card which complies with the new federal security requirements Wyoming began enforcing on June 1, 2011. (State-issued licenses that have the “gold star” on them.)
Principal residence: The Real ID act requires two documents be presented.
1. Vehicle registration with name & residential address on it (not P.O. box #)
2. Vehicle title with name & residential address on it (not P.O. box #)
3. W-2 form; with name and residential address (not P.O. box #)
4. Pay stub; showing name and residential address (not P.O. box #)
5. SSA-1099; This is a Social Security tax form
6. Form 1099R, INT, DIV, or other tax forms showing name and address
7. Utility bill
8. Rent or lease agreement
9. Property tax assessment
10. Voter registration
11. School records showing the student’s name and a WY address
Proof of Social Security Number: One of these needs to be presented.
1. Ssn card (if recently married or have a change of name, the new name must be on file with SSA)
2. W-2 form
3. Bank statement with ssn number on it
4. Other legal or government document displaying name and ssn.
Here's a useful page:
http://wyoming.gov/relocation.aspx
And here's the lowdown on registering to vote (in order to get a voter ID card which can be used in conjunction with your rental agreement for proof of residency:
http://soswy.state.wy.us/Elections/RegisteringToVote.aspx
To my knowledge, they gave you the card on the spot. So you can then take this card and your rental agreement down the street and get your DL.
Mac
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You can register to vote on the same day you vote here in Converse county--you do have to have an ID and one other document showing a residence(I think--about the second document).
Brandy ~W~
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Thank you for your responses.
So, from what I'm reading, I would have to
1) Rent a physical address which can be used on a drivers license.
2) Get a drivers license.
3) Legally move my firearms from CT to WY.
Unless the first 2 items can be done online, this would require a minimum of two trips.
I doubt a PO box and storage facility unit would suffice for a drivers license, but if it could, that would probably be the cheapest solution.
Any other thoughts on ultra-cheap monthly rents which can be used for a drivers license as a temporary address until we make the full move?
Thanks for your responses.
Maybe 'living' with someone who is already out here--but not really..........................................
Brandy ~W~
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I may be reading this all wrong, but I think everyone's over thinking this.
Eudaimonia doesn't need a legal residence or a WY ID, at least not right away. If the law changes in CT it will say it is against the law to have X, Y or Z in CT. It will not say that anyone who lives in CT can't have X, Y or Z anywhere in the world.
Just come out to WY with the items you think will be banned and rent a storage place. Make sure everything is stored in a way to keep it safe from theft and rust.
You can do all the ID's, jobs, apartments and other stuff later.
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Good advice. This is why Front Sight in NV, offers members to store their weapons there if they should happen to live in the Occupied Territories.
Mac
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You do not have to be a resident of a state in order to have a storage unit/locker there.
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Just spoke with the Wyoming Department of Game and Fish.
According to them I can drive my firearms out, rent a storage facility, store the firearms, and then have 365 days from that point to establish residency.
Thank you all for your help.
Hoping to make the trip out soon.
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What does Game and Fish have to do with firearms?
Nothing I believe.
Mac
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I don't THINK having the I.D. is necessary at all. I only use a passport for identification, which doesn't state where you live, and I am able to buy guns locally and much more. I don't believe anything states that you have to have a D.M.V. published photo I.D. to be a resident.
Even if you have a drivers license, that's just to operate a motor vehicle on public roadways.
Please let me know if I'm wrong. Hopefully you dont really have to carry your proof of existance/ residence around with you :/
However, a while back, my husband did get pulled over by a highway patrol man, that told him he needs to put wyoming tags on his truck. (I guess he saw our truck often enough to assume we must live here)
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I don't THINK having the I.D. is necessary at all. I only use a passport for identification, which doesn't state where you live, and I am able to buy guns locally and much more. I don't believe anything states that you have to have a D.M.V. published photo I.D. to be a resident.
Even if you have a drivers license, that's just to operate a motor vehicle on public roadways.
Please let me know if I'm wrong. Hopefully you dont really have to carry your proof of existance/ residence around with you :/
Necessary for what? Getting a storage locker? Of course not. Buying a gun from an FFL? I thought you needed to show residency at an FFL. Don't they "require" that for the 4473? I haven't bought anything from an FFL in nearly a decade so I'm ignorant on this.
Isn't it true that you must be a resident of the state in which you are buying? There's a red/green chart at Walmart showing which states' residents they will sell to. Bordering states are OK in general. Hence the need for ID which is most often considered the DL, although certainly not the only form.
Anyone who's up on the current law will hopefully clarify this. I thought it was settled!
Mac
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You do have to be a resident of the state where you are buying the gun, but I also do not have to have a DMV issued ID unless I want to operate a motor vehicle on public roads. The best way to prove residency is to show the inquirer your home :P
How does the formal libertarian feel about identification and having to carry your "papers"?
I would argue my way out of having proof of recidency by having to show a lease. You could easily be staying at an extended stay hotel in which there are no lease agreements. Also if you share a room with a spouse who paid and only has a receipt in their name, you have no written proof of you even being there. Plus, you can't put a hotel as your address.
There's so many holes in the residency requirements, and you can always do like me, and argue with people until they take what form of I.D. you are offering.
To get a storage unit, the most you'll need is an I.D. of any sort, if even that.
BTW, this might not be the law, but it works for me!
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Yes, but I was specifically asking about what "the law" is since I'm not sure now that the question was raised.
Mac
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I believe in most states you don't have to be a resident to purchase a firearm since they are licensed federally and not by the state, I believe the chart at Walmart is company policy but I'm not sure. Now in states with a second background check like we have here in Colorado I don't know how it works since the states bureau of investigation should have a hard time doing its background check on you but I know the Walmart here says they sell to all the surrounding states. I'm not 100% sure on any of this but I believe that is how it works.
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However, a while back, my husband did get pulled over by a highway patrol man, that told him he needs to put wyoming tags on his truck. (I guess he saw our truck often enough to assume we must live here)
In most states they "require" you to change your plates if you live there 30 or 60 days. Consistent enforcement is an issue.
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Not sure about most states, but here in the Peoples Republic Of Illinois, you need to be a resident and have an FOID card, now if your from out of state, they, the gun store, will sell you anything you want, it just has to be shipped back to your state of residents to an FFL there.
Same with me going to WI, or IN, or MO. I can buy anything I want, but they have to ship it back to IL. I can not walk out with it.
Dawg
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As firearms go- I am an FFL holder in PA, planning to move west. In our state, we can sell a long gun to an out of state resident (federal law), but not a handgun(state law).
Also, if you have a 6 mo. wait for a Concealed Carry permit, be aware that Wyoming gives me reciprocal carry rights with a PA license. So I suppose I could legally carry as long as it has not expired?????
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...or you can open carry 100% legally.
Also, the chances are no one will ever question your carrying as long as you have a Wyoming driver's license.
I, too, kept my PA concealed carry license on me until I got my Wyoming driver's license. Then I stopped worrying about it, but, to each his own.
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Also, the chances are no one will ever question your carrying as long as you have a Wyoming driver's license.
Not sure what the DL has to do with it. I've only had to show my DL once in nearly 8 years... at the DL office when I went to renew the "license." Now that card is downright handy, I tell you. LOL
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If you are not a Wyoming resident, Constitutional carry does not apply. I have issues with other states not recognizing this also. If they recognize my drivers license in other states, why not the concealed carry that comes with it!!
Also, the chances are no one will ever question your carrying as long as you have a Wyoming driver's license.
Not sure what the DL has to do with it. I've only had to show my DL once in nearly 8 years... at the DL office when I went to renew the "license." Now that card is downright handy, I tell you. LOL
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If you are not a Wyoming resident, Constitutional carry does not apply. I have issues with other states not recognizing this also. If they recognize my drivers license in other states, why not the concealed carry that comes with it!!
That's an interesting question. States are supposed to recognize the actions of other states for things like marriage and contracts. I wonder how it would be decided if a Wyoming resident got nicked for carrying?
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That's an interesting question. States are supposed to recognize the actions of other states for things like marriage and contracts. I wonder how it would be decided if a Wyoming resident got nicked for carrying?
Silly person... you KNOW how that would go. Don't forget the sarcasm marks... These things bear no resemblance to anything rational. Of course, in any rational world, nobody anywhere would question a peaceful person carrying any sort of tool. Or have anything to say about who they associate with, contract with, or how they traveled, etc.
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Also, the chances are no one will ever question your carrying as long as you have a Wyoming driver's license.
Not sure what the DL has to do with it. I've only had to show my DL once in nearly 8 years... at the DL office when I went to renew the "license." Now that card is downright handy, I tell you. LOL
If a cop saw a poorly concealed weapon and he wanted to make sure that the person was carrying "legally," I figure he'd be likely to ask for an ID. I also figure that he'd probably leave you alone after he saw that you had a Wyoming driver's license. The cop could push the issue if the card was recently issued, but I doubt it would get that far.
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If a cop saw a poorly concealed weapon and he wanted to make sure that the person was carrying "legally," I figure he'd be likely to ask for an ID. I also figure that he'd probably leave you alone after he saw that you had a Wyoming driver's license. The cop could push the issue if the card was recently issued, but I doubt it would get that far.
First, we don't have "cops" here where I live, and the few and far between "officers" of any kind don't stop people at random because they have a bulge in their waistband - or for anything else. They don't walk around on the streets here. In fact, they are seldom seen at all. I think I've seen a handful of traffic stops in the 8 years I've been here. Most on the hwy bypass road. "Speed limit" is too low on that road, but again, you probably have to do something dumb beyond just a few MPH to get any attention.
I carry, mostly openly, and nobody pays any attention. You'd have to do something STUPID, really stupid, to get that kind of attention here. And their first concern would be whatever dangerous, stupid thing you did, not whether you were carrying "legally." Never was much of a "permit" mindset here for CC anyway.
I know it's different other places. But then, that's why I live HERE. :)
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I carry, mostly openly, and nobody pays any attention. You'd have to do something STUPID, really stupid, to get that kind of attention here. And their first concern would be whatever dangerous, stupid thing you did, not whether you were carrying "legally." Never was much of a "permit" mindset here for CC anyway.
Is it possible you get less attention because you look like a mature, responsible woman rather than mall ninja. ;D
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Is it possible you get less attention because you look like a mature, responsible woman rather than mall ninja. ;D
Like I said... you'd have to do something stupid. :P
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If a cop saw a poorly concealed weapon and he wanted to make sure that the person was carrying "legally," I figure he'd be likely to ask for an ID. I also figure that he'd probably leave you alone after he saw that you had a Wyoming driver's license. The cop could push the issue if the card was recently issued, but I doubt it would get that far.
First, we don't have "cops" here where I live, and the few and far between "officers" of any kind don't stop people at random because they have a bulge in their waistband - or for anything else. They don't walk around on the streets here. In fact, they are seldom seen at all. I think I've seen a handful of traffic stops in the 8 years I've been here. Most on the hwy bypass road. "Speed limit" is too low on that road, but again, you probably have to do something dumb beyond just a few MPH to get any attention.
I carry, mostly openly, and nobody pays any attention. You'd have to do something STUPID, really stupid, to get that kind of attention here. And their first concern would be whatever dangerous, stupid thing you did, not whether you were carrying "legally." Never was much of a "permit" mindset here for CC anyway.
I know it's different other places. But then, that's why I live HERE. :)
I'm sure that some places in Wyoming are better than others. Fremont County is the most cop-infested place I've ever been. I was shocked after having lived here a couple of months. City of Lander Police, City of Riverton Police, Fremont County Sheriff, Wyoming Highway Patrol, Bureau of Indian Affairs Police, and Division of Criminal Investigation officers are all found here. I travel just under 30 miles to work each day, and I average passing three cop vehicles each way. Not even New York, with it's village police, city police, county sheriffs, and state troopers approached that frequency. If I don't see someone pulled over at least once per work day, it is a rare day indeed. Cops are not peace officers in Fremont County, they are "statute enforcement officers."
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Is it possible you get less attention because you look like a mature, responsible woman rather than mall ninja. ;D
Like I said... you'd have to do something stupid. :P
While I can resist the urge to look like a mall ninja I can't become a mature, responsible woman. >:D
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Is it possible you get less attention because you look like a mature, responsible woman rather than mall ninja. ;D
Like I said... you'd have to do something stupid. :P
While I can resist the urge to look like a mall ninja I can't become a mature, responsible woman. >:D
:D :D :D :D
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While I can resist the urge to look like a mall ninja I can't become a mature, responsible woman. >:D
LOL Of course not. How about a clean, responsible man. All the other categories will have to fend for themselves.