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Discussions Not Related To Free State Wyoming (FSW) => Everything Else => Topic started by: Scheherazade on December 02, 2017, 12:09:47 PM
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I thought a thread on great quotes would be good thing so here goes
"An excuse is the skin of a reason stuffed with a lie" Billy Sunday
"A government is a body of people, Notably ungoverned." Shepherd Book (Firefly tv show episode 10 War Stories)
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"A dump is like Disneyland..."
"Except there are no rides..."
"And it's full of garbage."
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The desire/compulsion to control the lives and property of others is the ROOT of all evil. It is the root of all aggression.
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I was watching Skip Heitzig's (Calvary Chapel of Albuquerque) series on the 10 commandments on http://www.calvaryabq.org/ , specifically the ones from 9/23 and 9/30 2007 ( http://www.calvaryabq.org/teachings_search.asp?series=27 ) on the 6th commandment "Thou shalt not murder." This was a very well done treatise on the commandments, by the way. (Links included in case anyone is interested.) He quoted:
Francis Schaefer "I am not a pacifist, because pacifism in this fallen world means that we desert people that deserve our greatest help."
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Pacifism seems to imply the rejection of violence. But that ignores the difference between aggressive violence and defensive violence. Anyone can condemn aggression. Who condemns defensive acts? How can any normal defensive action be wrong? (Obviously, negligent and stupid acts can be wrong.)
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Pacifism seems to imply the rejection of violence. But that ignores the difference between aggressive violence and defensive violence. Anyone can condemn aggression. Who condemns defensive acts? How can any normal defensive action be wrong? (Obviously, negligent and stupid acts can be wrong.)
I don't think anyone here confuses aggression with the violence needed for self defense. Or the rational response to negligent and stupid acts. Or with pacifism.
The desire to control other people and their property is the root of all aggression - evil, including fraud. Theft is a direct act to control others...
Pacifism is actually extremely rare, and would only be valid if the person never, in any way, defended themselves. They usually are very happy to have the police or whoever commit the violence for them.
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Pacifism seems to imply the rejection of violence. But that ignores the difference between aggressive violence and defensive violence. Anyone can condemn aggression. Who condemns defensive acts? How can any normal defensive action be wrong? (Obviously, negligent and stupid acts can be wrong.)
Actually there are some Christian groups that hold an extreme pacifism stand. 7th day Adventists hold that stand and one of them became a war hero in WWII. His story is told in Hacksaw Ridge. During that war he never touched a gun, never killed anyone, but he saved more than 70 wounded men and carried them off that cliff top. The Amish and the Mennonites also hold that pacifism. I actually know some Mennonites who would not defend themselves. It has been a topic of much discussion among some Christians I know. I like how the quote touches on what living in a fallen world can mean. Romans 12:18 says "If it is possible, as much as depends on you, live peaceably with all men." This verse acknowledges that it is not always possible to do so. Many churches these days are posting armed guards or encouraging members to carry at church. I heard of a church that held (and paid for) a concealed carry class for any member it could get to show up and take the class.
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Who condemns defensive acts?
LEO's, the fed gov, to name a few
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Here's one on being wary of flattery:
"You can stroke a donkey on its belly and lay any burden on its back" Thomas Brooks (a Puritan writer)
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“These are the times that try men’s souls; the summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of his country; but he that stands it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph.” Thomas Paine
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"An army of sheep led by a lion would defeat an army of lions led by a sheep." old Arab proverb
"The nose of the bulldog is slanted backwards so he can continue to breath without letting go." Winston Churchill
"Consider the postage stamp. Its usefulness consists in the ability to stick to something until it gets there." Josh Billings
"Worry gives a small thing a big shadow." old Swedish proverb
These were all in An Enemy Called Average by John Mason
"Those who complain about how bad they have it, have it good enough that they have time to complain." by my son
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"Modern kids, if they don't want to go to school, take a 'mental health day.' When we were kids, We'd lie about having a sore throat. I think lying is better. It lets a kid take personal responsibility for reality." Garrison Keillor Lake Wobegon
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Staying away from public school for "mental health" reasons does make sense.
:)
Just today, I was thinking that modern kids would have no idea what a grease pencil is... :)
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“Nobody deserves to be praised for goodness unless he is strong enough to be bad, for any other goodness is usually merely inertia or lack of will-power.”
Francois de La Rochefoucauld
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"Never grow a wishbone where your backbone ought to be." Jenny Paddleford
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This quote from Corrie Ten Boom is religiously based:
"Is prayer your steering wheel or your spare tire?'
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]To be civilized is to restrain the ability to commit mayhem. To be incapable of committing mayhem is not the mark of the civilized, merely the domesticated. -Trefor Thomas
No one should negotiate their dreams. Dreams must be free to flee and fly high. No government, no legislature, has a right to limit your dreams. You should never agree to surrender your dreams.
Rev. Jesse Jackson
Healthy children will not fear life if their elders have integrity enough not to fear death.
Erik H. Erikson
Half of life is luck; the other half is discipline - and that’s the important half, for without discipline you wouldn’t know what to do with luck.
Carl Zuckmeyer
Preconcieved notions are the locks on the door to wisdom.
Merry Browne
A child educated only at school is an uneducated child.
George Santayana
Liberty is the only thing you can't have unless you give it to others.
--William Allen White[/size][/font]
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Those are some good ones.
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A few I will share with the 17 year old granddaughter we have taken in:
The time is always right to do what is right.
Martin Luther King Jr.
Half of life is luck; the other half is discipline - and that’s the important half, for without discipline you wouldn’t know what to do with luck.
Carl Zuckmeyer
The successful person has the habit of doing the things failures don't like to do. They don't like doing them either necessarily. But their disliking is subordinated to the strength of their purpose.
E.M. Gray
Discipline is the bridge between goals and accomplishments.
Jim Rohn
First we form habits, then they form us. Conquer your bad habits or they will conquer you.
Rob Gilbert
The first and the best victory is to conquer self.
Plato
He who lives without discipline dies without honor.
Icelandic Proverb
Men are anxious to improve their circumstances, but are unwilling to improve themselves; they therefore remain bound. The man who does not shrink from self-crucifixion can never fail to accomplish the object upon which his heart is set. This is true of earthly as of heavenly things. Even the man whose object is to acquire wealth must be prepared to make great personal sacrifices before he can accomplish his object; and how much more so he who would realize a strong and well-poised life.
James Allen
If thou thinkest twice before thou speakest once, thou wilt speak twice the better for it.
William Penn
We should be careful to get out of an experience only the wisdom that is in it and stop there; lest we be like the cat that sits down on a hot stove lid. She will never sit on a hot stove lid again and that is well; but also she will never sit down on a cold one anymore.
Mark Twain
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"A vote is like a rifle its usefulness depends upon the character of the user." Theodore Roosevelt
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“The poorest man may in his cottage bid defiance to all the forces of the Сrown. It may be frail – its roof may shake – the wind may blow through it – the storm may enter – the rain may enter – but the King of England cannot enter.” William Pitt
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I admit it, I am a quote geek.
"The heights by great men reached and kept
Were not attained by sudden flight;
But they, while their companions slept,
Were toiling upward in the night."
Henry Wadsworth Longfellow
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Here are two quotes from The Magician's Nephew by C.S. Lewis. I think they are apropos for today's scene in the public sphere. On the first one, we are losing both humor and justice as free speech is being curtailed.
(spoken by Aslan) "For Jokes as well as justice come in with speech", and
(said about Uncle Andrew) "Now the Trouble about trying to make yourself stupider than you really are is that you very often succeed."
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I am pretty sure I was nine when I bought the Narnia books. I loved them. They were great for kids. I was not so sure about his space trilogy then, but I got it much later.
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I am seeing the Narnia books in a whole new light reading them with my kids. I had forgotten the space trilogy. I didn't get them as a kid, either. I need to re-read those.
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I had forgotten the space trilogy. I didn't get them as a kid, either. I need to re-read those.
I suggest that you read them with a mental filter of good versus evil.
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"Man's survival requires that those who think be free of the interference of those who don't" Ayn Rand
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"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter." Martin Luther King
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I like the idea of that quote. But I have no duty to argue with someone who pukes out inaccuracies or lies. If I did have such a duty, this person would have control over me by making claims that I am required to refute. I do not accept this external obligation.
Thanks for the quote, though. It is good to discuss these things.
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Very true. It can be a case by case decision. Here are two scriptures I thought of with that.
Proverbs 26:4-5 Do not answer a fool according to his folly lest you also be like him. Answer a fool according to his folly lest he be wise in his own eyes.
Matthew 7:6 Do not give what is holy to the dogs; Nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces.
It seems we have no shortage of fools, dogs, and swine in our society
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never pass up a bathroom, never trust a fart, and never waste a hard on.
what movie is this from?
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“God will not have his work made manifest by cowards. Always, always, always, always, always do what you are afraid to do. Do the thing you fear and the death of fear is certain.” - Ralph Waldo Emerson
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the Movie quote was from The Bucket List (spoken by Jack Nicholson).
"Truth does not become more true by virtue of the fact that the entire world agrees with it, nor less so even if the whole world disagrees with it." Moses Maimonides, Guide for the Perplexed (quoted in You're teaching My Child What? by Miriam Grossman, MD)
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Here's one that makes forced vaccination sound all the more ominous.
"The principle that sustains compulsory vaccination is broad enough to cover cutting the Fallopian tubes. Three generations of imbeciles are enough." Supreme Court Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr. on Buck v Bell (1927) which was deciding on forced sterilizations.
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Karl Jaspers “The power of leadership appears to be declining everywhere. More and more of the men we see coming to the top seem to be merely drifting.”
Ted Engstrom (former head of Youth for Christ, author of Making of a Christian Leader) “ We see the tragedy of weak men in important places; little men in big jobs.”
British Essayist Walter Savage Landor “When little men cast long shadows it is a sign that the sun is setting.”
Isaiah 3:12 “As for My people, children are their oppressors, And women rule over them. O My people! Those who lead you cause you to err, And destroy the way of your paths.”
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"I want you, young men, to always bear in mind that it is the nature of fire to go out. You must keep it stirred, you must keep it fed, and you must remove the ashes" William Boothe, Salvation Army
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"There is no neutral education. Education is either for domestication or for freedom." Joao Coutinho
"We want one class to have a liberal education. We want another class, a very much larger class of necessity, to forego the privilege of a liberal education and fit themselves to perform specific, difficult, manual tasks." Woodrow Wilson
(Quoted in a schoolsucks podcast)
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"The last time someone expected the American people to give up their guns we shot at them for 8 years straight. This country is not exactly known for our compliance. Every aspect of this country's history reeks of noncompliance."
Colion Noir
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Here is a list of really great quotes on education from the Alliance for the Separation of School and State.
http://www.schoolandstate.org/quotes.htm
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"It is sometimes an appropriate response to reality to go insane" Philip K. Dick
"Humor is almost always anger with it's makeup on." Stephen King
"The best fighter is never angry." Lao Tzu
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"Hollywood is a place where they'll pay you a thousand dollars for a kiss and fifty cents for your soul."
Marilyn Monroe
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"We of this age have discovered a shorter, and more prudent method to become scholars and wits, without the fatigue of reading or of thinking." Jonathan Swift
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Maybe it's not a great quote, but still a good one:
"He is like a trained ape. Without the training."
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"Well Peter, this is what comes of empire building."
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Maybe it's not a great quote, but still a good one:
"He is like a trained ape. Without the training."
Anything from Firefly is a great quote.
(not from firefly) "Looting is socialism without the middle man." Peter schiff
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Thinking is easy,
Acting is difficult,
and to put one's thoughts into action is the most difficult thing in the world.
-- of course: Goethe
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It’s getting crazy out there. The severe bias in almost everything out there is … sorry I can’t think of a word that fits here. I thought these two quotes were apropos.
From I’m no hero by Charlie Plumb A Pow Story as Told to Glen Dewerf (Independence press 1973)
P 108 “Not once did I see any printed matter-a book, magazine, newspaper, lyrics to songs, written speeches, or billboards- that contained anything but propaganda. I was given the understanding that writers, artists, and journalists were required to take a solemn oath to promote in every work the ‘people’s fight against obdurate aggression and world hegemony.’”
P 110 “I’d had plenty of time-much more than was necessary-to see that his ‘truth’ was nothing more than a fool’s tale. No person with the slightest discernment could possibly miss the fallacies in the propaganda. Yet, it happened all the time. Like this novice, the Vietnamese expressed amazement when I did not agree that their black was white.”
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“If you want to live in places that get burned down by rioters while the police evacuate and the politicians in charge celebrate the pyromaniacs, then you should vote for the Democrats in November.” Dinesh D’Souza
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“You can’t reason a man out of a position he didn’t reason himself into.” Jonathan Swift
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“Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.” Martin Luther King, jr.
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"Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, one by one." Charles MacKay Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds
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“Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.” Martin Luther King, jr.
Yes, we have been seeing a lot of that lately.
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“Government is more dangerous than fire. Fire can’t declare itself immune to water.” – SurvivalBlog Editor-At-Large Michael Z. Williamson
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Terry Goodkind(A big Ayn Rand Fan who incorporated a lot of her logic into his books) passed away last month as I was reading through his Sword of Truth series. So it seems fitting to leave some quotes here from those books.
“Cut. Once committed to the fight, cut. Everything else is secondary. Cut. That is your duty, your purpose, your hunger. There is no rule more important, no commitment that overrides that one. Cut. The lines are a portrayal of the dance. Cut from the void, not from bewilderment. Cut the enemy as quickly and directly as possible. Cut with certainty. Cut decisively, resolutely. Cut into his strength. Flow through the gap in his guard. Cut him. Cut him down utterly. Don’t allow him a breath. Crush him. Cut him without mercy to the depths of his spirit. It’s the balance of life: death. It is the dance with death.” – Faith of the Fallen.
“Charity, if you have the means, is a personal choice, but charity which is expected or compelled is simply a polite word for slavery.” – Pillars of Creation.
“Pity for the guilty is treason to the innocent.” – Faith of the Fallen.
“Not everyone is willing to embrace liberty; liberty requires not just effort, but risk. Some people choose to delude themselves and see their chains as protective armor.” – Chainfire.
“Wrong doing must be punished. If not, it will proliferate until anarchy wears the robes of tolerance and understanding.” – Blood of the Fold.
“If something is wrong, it matters not if a thousand men are for it; you must still oppose it. If something is just, no amount of popular outcry should stay you from your course.” – Naked Empire.
“Laugh all you want. I know my own worth and don’t need to prove it to someone who doesn’t know theirs.” – Faith of the Fallen.
“Culture carries no privilege to exist. Cultures do not have value simply because they are. Some cultures, the world is better off without.” – Soul of the Fire.
“Enemies,’ the wizard said, ‘are the price of honour.” – Debt of Bones.
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"Lord have mercy on my poor country that is so barbarously oppressed." Andrew Fletcher (1655-1716, advocate for Scotland not being part of England)
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"The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself, without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, and intolerable." H.L. Mencken
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"The truth is that the State is a conspiracy designed not only to exploit, but above all to exploit its citizens...Henceforth, I shall never serve any government anywhere." Leo Tolstoy
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"When you disarm your subjects, however, you offend them by showing that either from cowardliness or lack of faith, you distrust them; and either conclusion will induce them to hate you." Niccolo Machiavelli
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"The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those who speak it." George Orwell
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"The welfare of the people...has always been the alibi of tyrants...giving the servants of tyranny a good conscience." Albert Camus
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"There are only nine meals between mankind and anarchy." Alfred Henry Lewis in Cosmopolitan magazine March 1906 (Cosmo is a different rag now. Pun intended.)
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"The only difference between a tax man and a taxidermist is that the taxidermist leaves the skin." Mark Twain
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"There are two ways that you can enslave people. One is that you work them for no pay, and the other is that you pay them for no work." Lt Col Allen West
Australia has been draconian in their covid response. Australian journalist Clive James wrote, "The problem with Australia is not that so many of them are descended from convicts, but that so many are descended from prison officers."
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"The nation that makes a great distinction between its scholars and its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting done by fools." Thucydides
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"Don't let schooling interfere with education." Mark Twain
"Problems cannot be solved with the same mindset that created them." Albert Einstein
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Good quotes. Just replying to say something in the thread.
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"The circulation of confidence is better than the circulation of money." James Madison
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"The secret of freedom lies in educating people, whereas the secret of tyranny is in keeping them ignorant." Maximilian Robespierre
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"The secret of freedom lies in educating people, whereas the secret of tyranny is in keeping them ignorant." Maximilian Robespierre
Good quote, and Robie would know, practitioner that he was.
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"You must study to be frank with the world: Frankness is the child of honesty and courage." Robert E. Lee
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Survival Blog closes with a quote of the day each day. They've had some really good ones, lately:
“One bleeding-heart type asked me in a recent interview if I did not agree that ‘violence begets violence.’ I told him that it is my earnest endeavor to see that it does. I would like very much to ensure-and in some cases I have- that any man who offers violence to his fellow citizen begets a whole lot more in return than he can enjoy.” Col. Jeff Cooper
“Whenever there is a jackboot stepping on a human face, there will be a well-heeled Western Liberal to explain that the face does, after all, enjoy free health care and 100% literacy.”
John Derbyshire
(Of course there are differing opinions on what counts as literacy these days.)
“The choice facing the nation is between two totally different ways of life. And what a prize we have to fight for: no less than the chance to banish from our land the dark, divisive clouds of Marxist socialism and bring together men and women from all walks of life who share a belief in freedom.” Margaret Thatcher
“No man escapes
When freedom fails,
The best men rot in filthy jails;
And they who cried: ’Appease, Appease!’
Are hanged by the men they tried to please.”
Attorney Hiram Mann, letter to the editor, Wall Street Journal, March 28, 1947
“If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.” George Orwell
“Let me tell you the secret that has led to my goal. My strength lies solely in my tenacity.” Louis Pasteur
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There once was a man from Nantucket....
I forget the rest of the rhyme so f-it.
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There once was a man from Nantucket....
... And he said, "I've got stuff to do."
Then he went to the garage and did some cutting, welding, and grinding.
And he split some wood.
Went back to the forums and libertarians are still talking about what they are going to do.
Nice to hear from you, Steve.
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It sad that this site has dropped to so few posts.
I've wondered how many people who pledged to move, didn't?
I was lucky that it was more than 7 years until I retired when I was constantly posting. If it had been less than 7 years I might have made the pledge.
I still would love to move into the mountains but I don't think it will be anytime soon. :-(
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It sad that this site has dropped to so few posts.
Considering what it's been of late, this morning's tally (for me, at least) was ten, TEN! new posts. A veritable traffic jam!
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Well, I tried to add my part. :)
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Thanks! I keep this forum alive just in case someone wants to keep it going.
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Anyone heard from Boston lately?
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It's been a few years. He has some videos on Youtube from three years ago:
https://www.youtube.com/@BostonTParty-mm1vf
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I hope the couf didn't get him. Hard to tell since long periods of quiet are part of his metier and if he succumbed we might not know. Nah, on second thought SOMEbody would put the word out.
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Thanks! I keep this forum alive just in case someone wants to keep it going.
Many thanks, Richard!
As I reflect on the FSW, it's a great idea, but I was too early in 2004.
Today, however, Americans are increasingly clamoring for the West.
I took a looong break from FSW things after some burn-out, then I got embroiled in a promising career change.
That was interesting, but not what I'd envisioned,
I think FSWers will begin to see more of me now. Sorry if my absence was confusing or unsettling.
Boston
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Sorry if my absence was confusing or unsettling.
Nah, I just figured you were resting.
... Or stunned. Authors stun easily...
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Good to see your green ink again Boston. Are you still flying?