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Free State Wyoming (FSW) Promotional => Making the Case for Moving Toward Freedom (and Wyoming!) => Topic started by: Boston on December 21, 2007, 01:04:02 PM
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Poll: Both New Hampshire and Wyoming have been chosen by the Free State Movement. If you knew that these states would become pro-liberty, have less taxes and follow the Constitution to the letter, would you move to one of these states?
http://www.nationalexpositor.com/index.php?poll=5
So far, 92% would move.
Boston
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So, how many of them are willing to move first and help us make it that way? That's the more relevant question, I'd say...
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Yeah, no kidding.
But, we have the pride of having been the pioneers.
Boston
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I would say that a far more relevant question is, now that we know how many of them are out there, what can each of us do to bring them to Wyoming?
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Just like an armed citizenry is "indigestible" to an attacking nation or government, so Wyoming and NH need to be "indigestible" to tyranny loving authoritarians.
So the other question to ask is "what can be done to make the place as unsavory to tyranny enablers and lovers everywhere? (You know, the typical collectivist scum who follow the pioneers and legislate their property away from them after the pioneers did the hard work of taming it.)
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Just like an armed citizenry is "indigestible" to an attacking nation or government, so Wyoming and NH need to be "indigestible" to tyranny loving authoritarians.
So the other question to ask is "what can be done to make the place as unsavory to tyranny enablers and lovers everywhere? (You know, the typical collectivist scum who follow the pioneers and legislate their property away from them after the pioneers did the hard work of taming it.)
Good points......... Elk
Regards, Dan ~W~
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One of the things I liked best about Boston's book _Molon Labe_ was the idea of giving a sales tax break to those wearing guns. That won't work in NH, as there is no sales tax. So, they'll have to come up with something else. But, it works plenty fine in Wyoming.
Anything that encourages more people to go about armed is a good thing. And it would drive out the nanny-statists.
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It sure would Jim. Could you imagine the wail accross the country about those crazy people in Wyoming? I would love it...lol. Sadly, with the numbers of people the oil and gas industry is bringing into the state I'm wondering if we are fighting a losing battle. Last time I was there in Rock Springs at the Walmart I got a couple of really snobby disgusting looks. It took me a while to realize it was because of my 1911 on my hip. I just looked at them and laughed and said: "You ain't from here are ya. Well, ya better get used to it. And I'll tell ya a secret. About 80% of the folks here in Wyoming are armed at all times and just keep it in their jacket instead of out in the open." The sad part is that never used to happen at all.
Dave
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Sadly, with the numbers of people the oil and gas industry is bringing into the state I'm wondering if we are fighting a losing battle.
Most will leave when the bust comes. Anyway, I'm betting most who work on stuff like that are just as crazy about guns as we are. It's not the sort of occupation that attracts bunny-huggers.
Open carry is a great idea for this. Maybe some bumper stickers like "Die Yuppie Scum" would help. :D
Oh, and when you kill a deer, don't cover it up with a tarp. Make sure it is visible as you drive through town. Maybe we ought to revive the old tradition of strapping it over the hood like when I was a kid. :)
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Oh, and when you kill a deer, don't cover it up with a tarp. Make sure it is visible as you drive through town. Maybe we ought to revive the old tradition of strapping it over the hood like when I was a kid. :)
LOL! In one weekend in WY this last huntin' season, I saw more dead deer in town than I ever saw in two and a half decades anywhere in CO!
I liked it.
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Oh, and when you kill a deer, don't cover it up with a tarp. Make sure it is visible as you drive through town. Maybe we ought to revive the old tradition of strapping it over the hood like when I was a kid. :)
Funny you should mention this; this deer season my hunting buddies were unsure as to if their trucks would be available in time to go hunting. As it turned out their trucks were available, but had they not been we would have been forced to take my 1974 Caprice Classic (those of you who were at the Jam might remember it). We were laughing at the thought of driving into town with our deer strapped to the hood of that massive car.
Oh well, there's always next year! >:D
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LOL! In one weekend in WY this last huntin' season, I saw more dead deer in town than I ever saw in two and a half decades anywhere in CO!
I liked it.
Hilarious moment this season in Sundance -- I'm driving in town, and some guys at a motel have a portable deer stand set up in the *parking lot* and are skinning and gutting it right there! ;D
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Hilarious moment this season in Sundance -- I'm driving in town, and some guys at a motel have a portable deer stand set up in the *parking lot* and are skinning and gutting it right there! ;D
Hmmmmm, believe it or not, it sounds like Pike County, IL., where I live. If it weren't for the politicoes I might be able to stand living here. Our county is a good county if you do have to live in IL tho......
Regards, Danl ~W~
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Oh, and when you kill a deer, don't cover it up with a tarp. Make sure it is visible as you drive through town. Maybe we ought to revive the old tradition of strapping it over the hood like when I was a kid. Smiley
The steel is too thin now >:(, it'll leave dents, unless it's PA deer, they only weigh 110#, they remind me of greyhounds ;D
That gives me a product idea. How about taking one of those bicycle carriers, the kind that mount on the roof and hold the bicycle(s) vertically, strengthening the supports, adding some grips, and perhaps a kind of "saddle" that would go inside the deer's belly to hold it up?
It sounds like a bit of work, but it would certainly display your deer as you drive home!
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Most will leave when the bust comes.
I'm not so sure that the current oil/gas boom won't last for about 7-10 more years.
Anyway, I'm betting most who work on stuff like that are just as crazy about guns as we are. It's not the sort of occupation that attracts bunny-huggers.
I hope that your right about this one Paul. Granted it takes a tougher (or more deperate) lot to do this work, but I know how hard the industry is recruiting in areas like Michigan. People who move just for a job tend to try to make the laws the way they were where they came from. Although, I do know that one good Wyoming winter ususally cases a lot of folks away in the spring;).
Dave
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That gives me a product idea. How about taking one of those bicycle carriers, the kind that mount on the roof and hold the bicycle(s) vertically, strengthening the supports, adding some grips, and perhaps a kind of "saddle" that would go inside the deer's belly to hold it up?
It sounds like a bit of work, but it would certainly display your deer as you drive home!
You might also offer a model that works on the trunk of a sedan. Getting the deer onto the roof would be...harder than getting it onto the rack on the trunk.
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I'm not so sure that the current oil/gas boom won't last for about 7-10 more years.
A very, very interesting question. I think most of these resource/commodity booms generally run about ten years valley to peak. Which means that, if we accept 1999 as the nadir of the last bust, then the current boom runs through 2009. It could certainly be two or three years beyond that, so 2012. But, that's only four years more.
Why don't I think the oil/gas boom would last longer? Because I am convinced that there is a huge economic bust in the works, on a scale we have not seen since 1722-1782 - the sixty year depression which brought us the American Revolutionary War and other fun stuff.
If I'm right, which is anyone's guess, then we are about to see a hyperinflation which is going to collapse the value of the dollar. Yes, much, much further than it has been. It is going to be very bad. I think the current max inflation rate ever recorded is the Yugoslav dinar of 1993-1995, which clocked at five quadrillion percent per annum during the worst three months of that episode. The dollar collapse is going to be worse, I believe.
The price of oil has been high since 2002, compared to 1985 or 1995 prices when there was little exploration. So, we've had five years of money being invested in new exploration and new production techniques. I think supply is going to result within the next two to three years - supply of new oil from new discoveries made since 2002, supply of new oil from existing production using new technology, supply of alternatives developed and marketed since the price rise became a fixture. At current prices, I believe methanol made from trees can be sold profitably, and the conversion to "race car fuel" is pretty easy. Bio-diesel apparently is just McDonald's french fry grease run through a filter.
So, supply is going to be way up in three years, even assuming idiotic environmental policies limit some of these products getting to market, or discoveries getting developed. And, brother, I fear demand is going to be way, way down. Down like the Great Depression was a walk in the park.