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Free State Wyoming (FSW) Promotional => Marketing and Media Coverage of Free State Wyoming (FSW) => Topic started by: TreadNotUponMe on May 12, 2008, 09:41:39 PM
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Can someone PLEASE update your front page? I stopped by to see what's going on with FSW because a few of us on the FSP forum had steered a prospective member this way (http://www.fundamentalsoffreedom.com/fswforum/index.php?topic=6089.0;topicseen) and was perplexed and disappointed to see that your site hasn't been updated for over a year. :-\ A news update, any news update, would let the world know you guys aren't dead on the vine. I know you're not because I lurk on your forums from time to time, but the impression on the front page is not good. If I had stopped by for the first time, I would've left within 10 seconds assuming the group was defunct.
I hope these criticisms can be taken in the spirit in which they're given.
Molon Labe! ~W~
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Many of us have been crying about the same thing for a long time. Those who have the power to do something about it are aware... I don't know how much more we can do, but I'll gripe about it again myself.
Thanks for saying something. :)
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An FSWer has volunteered to take on the matter,
and today I've PMed him and our current webmistress
for them to confab.
I.e., it's in the works.
Thanks for the post!
Boston
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Good to know.
Stepping further out of line here, I think a little decentralization would go a long way, especially as Boston gets more busy with his other exploits. The canceling of the FSW Jam was disappointing, and from what I can see, completely unnecessary since I know for a fact that there are FSW members who are willing to do the work. Why the people who are seting up an "alternative" weren't allowed the opportunity to organize the Jam themselves is...perplexing. :-\ I read that "Boston was too busy to organize the Jam this year" and my first thought was..."So what?!" When the guy went on that he was organizing an alternative...<sigh>. A board of directors with shared responsibility might be a good way to go from here. I especially think that the FSW should change its policy on disallowing people to use FSW bandwidth to post FSW banners. The whole "bandwidth theft is theft" thing really sends the wrong message considering how messages spread person to person online through small blogs and such. You don't want to discourage people from advertising your cause.
Ok, I've completed my out of place and inappropriate lecturing for now and will go back to lurking and keeping my fingers crossed that you FSW people bring liberty to WY faster than we can do it in NH ;D. You guys are awesome and I love what you're doing in the Cowboy State. As I said in my first post, I steer people to FSW whenever NH isn't the right choice for them and pray for your success.
I hope to see an advertising blitz soon (even a bunch of people talking up the FSW on libertarian/survivalist/gun forums would would be great - and affordable). You wouldn't believe the amount of people who want to find a good place to move after the Ron Paul campaign. Most of them don't know about FSW so you have a great opportunity in these next 6 months or so while people are engaged.
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Getting ready for this weekend's Appleseed shoot but will address the issue of banners (at least partially) on Monday when I return. It is long past time I got the FSW logo back at the top left corner. ;D
If Boston doesn't have a problem with it, I'll post a link here that can be used to link to the logo that used to be here on the forum and the one that was done for Radio Free Liberty (RFL) (http://www.radiofreeliberty.com/). Should have enough bandwidth here at the Forum to easily handle linking to those two logos for use in sigs and such.
Speaking of RFL, I need to get the collection going again to renew our banner there. :-[
FSW Forum Admin
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Speaking of RFL, I need to get the collection going again to renew our banner there. Embarrassed
RFL hasn't updated their website for at least the past 6 months.
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And believe me, FF101 would know. I think he's got a complete set of their .mp3's.
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from TreadNotUponMe:
Why the people who are seting up an "alternative" weren't allowed the opportunity to organize the Jam themselves is...perplexing.
This was pretty thoroughly explained to FSWers.
While some may still disagree with me, at least they aren't perplexed about it.
It's not out of the question that an FSW crew can organize future Jams,
but I wanted folks to host an event in lieu of the 2008 Jam . . . partly
as a test run. Unfortunately for us all, the wrong guy stepped up to do
so, and folks are only now picking up the pieces and going forward after he quit.
But, things are back on track, and I wish the June event well.
A board of directors with shared responsibility might be a good way to go from here.
Perhaps for other orgs, but I don't see such for the FSW.
My intended trend for the FSW is less responsibility, not more.
The less expected from the FSW as an org, and the more FSWers
themselves do for themselves and Wyoming, the better, IMO.
I've always had in mind a different approach than that adopted
by the FSP as far as organizational structure goes. The FSP
grows more organized. We grow more informal. I've written about
this at great length throughout several posts in the FSWer boards.
In short, I believe that a point of diminishing marginal returns is
a danger regarding organizations, and that the FSP has likely
reaching that point.
Thanks for continuing to recommend us to the non-NH free staters.
We're actively working on a revised FSW site right now, and thanks
again for jab in the side about getting it done.
I especially think that the FSW should change its policy on disallowing people to use FSW bandwidth to post FSW banners. The whole "bandwidth theft is theft" thing really sends the wrong message
It's not (for me) so much a bandwidth theft issue, but that the FSW Forum
serves the FSW and FSWers and Wyoming . . . and not the cosmic width and
depth of the freedom movement. That said, if somebody has an idea for an appropriate
banner, they're welcome to PM me about it.
Boston
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If "the FSW Forum serves the FSW and FSWers and Wyoming . . . and not the cosmic width and depth of the freedom movement," then it's past time to reduce the space dedicated to other than FSW, FSWers, and Wyoming, don't you think?
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Not at all. FSW is only one part of our lives. And our people come from all over and all walks of life. Some are former statists, even!
You can choose what you read here. So can everyone else. If you choose to limit your exposure to those things, nothing is stopping you.
We need greater freedom, not more restrictions.
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Considering much of what is here is deadwood, IMHO, some pruning is indicated.
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Considering much of what is here is deadwood, IMHO, some pruning is indicated.
To put it another way... "deadwood" is in the eye of the beholder. You do your pruning and I'll do mine. We certainly don't need anyone to decide that for someone else. If it looks like "deadwood" to you, then just don't read it.
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On the other hand, thick dead undergrowth can stifle new growth.
The sheer volume of stuff on this forum probably makes maintenance more difficult, and those guys already have their hands full. When you're up to your neck in alligators...
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The sheer volume of stuff on this forum probably makes maintenance more difficult,
None of the posts/threads that don't interest you will cause any maintenance issues whatever. So, not to worry.
This forum and it's current number of posts/threads is miniscule compared to other forums that I frequent.
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from vonu:
If "the FSW Forum serves the FSW and FSWers and Wyoming . . . and not the cosmic width and depth of the freedom movement," then it's past time to reduce the space dedicated to other than FSW, FSWers, and Wyoming, don't you think?
No, not really.
I think the non-Wyoming/FSW proportion is still reasonable,
and besides, threads are created/read/enlarged as per the
free reading market.
Boston
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Heh... man its good to be back. I'll toss in some kindling of a different kind (think of it as "flavoring wood" under a BBQ grill).
What I find enjoyable about this forum is exactly THAT IT IS so small. In fact, some of the threads Vonu has dug up lately (read: prior to my recent return from abroad) are threads I partook in, and recall as occasionally being... ahem... "heated debates".
I can still recall a few threads that the administrati closed down ("wisely" on at least one occasion I can recall) but they were never deleted. This is a GOOD thing, IMHO, as it also presents the various member's ability to deal with each other without slitting throats. As far as I can see, most here have done a remarkable job avoiding ad hominem attacks ad discussing actual issues and ideas. This is a good thing, IMHO.
So, as a word of advice to Vonu and others who support the idea of "pruning the archive"... keep in mind fella, not even the Vatican "prunes" its real archives... and they've got thousands of years worth of "content", most of which the plebes aren't even allowed to know about, nevermind actually granted audience to see or touch in an unaltered state.
So my advice to you is simple, enjoy what you find here, and read a book called "The Cathedral and the Bazaar" by one Eric S. Raymond (who is one of the FEW gun carrying Open Source geeks out there, despite his so called "neo con" tendencies.) He's also an eccentric snob, so be careful when dealing with him, he tends to be abusive to those he sees as incapable of RTFM or RTFFAQ.
The outlook painted in that book is fairly close to the "free market" ideal. We each got into this (freedom ideals, philosophy, science, open source, free market ideas and implementation, etc) to scratch our own itches. If that last sentence is true, then the results are good and progress is guaranteed. If the individual is in it to "make the world a better place for everyone" then they are probably still dealing with it from the socialist/statist point of view, few who want such long reaching results are willing to do the foot work. Most prefer to request that "someone should do something about this". If each of us took care of his yard first, then the entire world would be a garden of Eden in less than a decade (probably in less than a year, as far as I can tell.) To that end, take what you will from here, enjoy it, make use of it as best it suits you, and then build what makes you happy, and if it pleases you, share some of it with us. IMNSHO, if my yard is fruitful, and I have spare time, THEN I can help YOU make YOURS the same, or share some of my own bounty. This is the missing mindset in the vast world... (what shocks me about American yards is exactly that, I see acres of land and not a vineyard, not a tree, not even bushes, just artificial LAWN... people have ALL this space, all this great land to use for their benefit, and all they do is mow it non stop. During my visit abroad, at my old grandparents' estate, which is tiny by even American "middle class" standards, I visited their vineyard, their garden, etc. If they still had their old lands, they could've probably fed and employed a small town.
Anyways, this is getting too long for a mere bit of advice. Just keep in mind, there is no need to "prune" the archive just as in a true free market no product, regardless of how good, or how bad would be pruned. It would merely not be patronized in lieu of other, better (or more appropriate for the demand) goods or services.
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. Should have enough bandwidth here at the Forum to easily handle linking to those two logos for use in sigs and such.
FSW Forum Admin
Did this ever happen? I'd like to use the logo as an avatar for other forums????
Thanks, Carp
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I hope to see an advertising blitz soon (even a bunch of people talking up the FSW on libertarian/survivalist/gun forums would would be great - and affordable). You wouldn't believe the amount of people who want to find a good place to move after the Ron Paul campaign. Most of them don't know about FSW so you have a great opportunity in these next 6 months or so while people are engaged.
Exactly right. I am one of them and I know for a fact I'm not alone. Ron Paul woke up a TON of people and all of us that are now studying economics, law, guns/ammo, ect are going to teach our friends and family (those that are interested at least) I think it will have a very strong "ripple" effect. All of us are now more aware about the tyranny and oppression as well as insane taxation (without representation? ex, the bailout bill). This isn't even mentioning the brainwashing and programming that goes on. It's all incredibly sad and it hasn't been easy for me to even get to this point where I still feel like I know little to nothing.
In summary I think you are 100% correct there will be a large influx of interest in moving to more freedom oriented states. I know I will do my part. ;D