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Title: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: MichaelNotMike on May 19, 2009, 10:43:10 AM
We made the decision. Yesterday. Debra Jean put in two weeks' notice (a big move, she's been at the same firm for 15 years. But they love her and are tearful that she's, and several lawyers there are happy to give her great recommendations. Which will help.)

She brought home a copy of the letter they had her write, (her "official" two-weeks' notice.) I wrote "A+++ on it in red ink and hung it on the fridge.

May 18th is going to be a new annual holiday for us. "Wyoming Day." The day we decided for sure. We're moving there before snowfall this year.

We're visiting your fine state for ten days in early June, driving around, picking our town. then coming back, packing up loose ends and just DOING IT. Moving. 100%.

I want to thank all of you for being so helpful and encouraging. Especially Boston, for doing all the actuary demographic work, and for being a nice guy, and MamaLiberty for saying "Welcome" when I first got on this board, and again and again since. And everyone else we'll meet soon and be neighbors with not long after.

(We will unfortunately not be there for the meet up in late June, we'll be back here kissing SoCal goodbye. And yes, we're gonna shoot our Cali license plates with our shotgun after we get Wyoming plates.)

Yay! More freedom and lower taxes! Bison! Friends! Snow! Guns! Wide open spaces! Yay!

Michael W. Dean
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: DebraJean on May 19, 2009, 11:04:42 AM
Daddy, I'm so darned happy!  ;D  ;D  ;D

The way I feel right now, I wanna shout my freedom from the rooftops!

I'm not sure if I made this clear last night: Quitting, moving, this whole new start thing, which I NEVER could have done without you, has made me feel younger, freer, happier, like I have so much potential, like WE have so much POTENTIAL, that I can hardly stand it! 

I feel no binding committment to anyone but you, a feeling I can't remember having in decades! This has allowed me to loosen the ties I still allowed myself to have to my job, to the past, to this house, to some silly people, to whatever California held for me over the decades, - letting me be free to chase down whatever moves us, interests us, and makes us happy.

After loving me, this may be the greatest gift you've ever given me.

Thank you!

I adore you!!!!!

Debra Jean  ~W~
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: Boston on May 19, 2009, 12:02:07 PM
What sweet news!
And, you'll be here "In Wyoming" in time for the Freedom Exposition in June.

Oh, please post your SofI online at the forum.

Thanks for being a part of the FSW!
I'm excited to meet you both in your new home state!
 ~W~
Boston
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: MichaelNotMike on May 19, 2009, 12:11:16 PM
Quote from: Boston on May 19, 2009, 12:02:07 PM
What sweet news!
And, you'll be here "In Wyoming" in time for the Freedom Exposition in June.

Oh, please post your SofI online at the forum.

Thanks for being a part of the FSW!
I'm excited to meet you both in your new home state!
 ~W~
Boston

Can't make the Freedom Exposition, will be back here tying up loose ends. We're visiting in early June, then trying to move in July or August.

We had decided not to take the pledge, just movin' there to be good neighbors.

I mean no disrespect by not pledging, I don't like pledges. I could expound on that, but basically, it's just a personal thing.

(Don't know if that makes this posted in the wrong place, this thread says it's for Prospective Free State Wyoming (FSW) Members and Interested Parties, we're Interested Parties. There was no thread for "affiliates" or anything like that, so I figured "Interested Parties." We're very interested in the FSW people, want it to spread far and wide, we just ain't really pledgers.)

cool?

Respectfully,
MWD
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: Andrew on May 19, 2009, 01:30:41 PM
That's great news guys!

I know that I was so excited to know that moving to WY was finally going to be a reality.  Honestly, I'm not quite sure that it has completely settled in yet.   Sometimes I still catch myself driving down the road thinking that there is no way that I really live here!

If you happen to past through Sheridan or Buffalo, give me a shout.  I would be glad to show you around.   I'm going to be in Texas for a few days at the beginning of June and then at the Appleseed shoot in Newcastle that first weekend.  Otherwise I should be around.   PM me for info.

Godspeed,
The Count


Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: Bigduane on May 19, 2009, 01:32:22 PM
I feel shamed by Michael and Debra's action, and my lack of same. I started hanging around on the forum back in October I believe, a good 2 weeks at least in front of them. But they are moving first. I shall reevaluate my life over the next couple of days. Maybe I can move now as well. I have been lazy for far too long.
 Congratulations to Michael and Debra ( dont forget the cats!! ) ::)
 Bigduane
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: Kelly on May 19, 2009, 01:43:32 PM
I'm VERY envious!  I, too, am heading out the the NE corner of WY at the end of May to scope things out and looking forward to it!

Best of luck!
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: MichaelNotMike on May 19, 2009, 01:47:10 PM
Quote from: Bigduane on May 19, 2009, 01:32:22 PM
I feel shamed by Michael and Debra's action, and my lack of same. I started hanging around on the forum back in October I believe, a good 2 weeks at least in front of them. But they are moving first. I shall reevaluate my life over the next couple of days. Maybe I can move now as well. I have been lazy for far too long.
 Congratulations to Michael and Debra ( dont forget the cats!! ) ::)
 Bigduane


There's no shame in dealing with life on life's terms.

I think what did it for us was thinking about something DJ's dad always quotes, "You can't cross a chasm in two small leaps." That and MamaLiberty being from SoCal and saying that she didn't wait to do it completely comfortably, she just did it. I think if we waited to be comfortable, we would never do it. In the meantime, SoCal is getting worse and worse with crime, even the small town we live in, which never had much crime, has lots now. Violent crime, too. (And two earthquakes in the past two weeks may have nudged us a little, too!)

And re-reading "Surviving Y2K (and other lovely disasters.)" Reading the part about how when the SHTF, "I'd rather be among the snow people than the sun people." SoCal is a powder keg warming on a skillet. And all this crazy "Mexico war on drugs creeping north" stuff ain't making me too comfy here. Even though we have a really comfy situation here (good jobs, benefits, good house, good neighborhood), and it was hard to leave.

Bigduane, you're somewhere in the south east, aren't you? I think the comment in "Surviving Y2K" is something about how it will turn into a race riot about two weeks after the welfare checks are cut off. Having lived in Charlottesville, VA and in New Orleans, LA, that sounds about right to me.

I was looking at numbers on the NH FSP. They have like 700 people in the state and like 5000 pledged. I'm thinking "what's up with that?"

I'd rather "vote with my feet."

Again, no shame in not moving yet. But if our choice puts a little more coal on the fire under your butt, then yay!  ~W~  :)

MWD
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: MichaelNotMike on May 19, 2009, 01:49:24 PM
Quote from: The Count (aka Phred) on May 19, 2009, 01:30:41 PM
That's great news guys!

I know that I was so excited to know that moving to WY was finally going to be a reality.  Honestly, I'm not quite sure that it has completely settled in yet.   Sometimes I still catch myself driving down the road thinking that there is no way that I really live here!

If you happen to past through Sheridan or Buffalo, give me a shout.  I would be glad to show you around.   I'm going to be in Texas for a few days at the beginning of June and then at the Appleseed shoot in Newcastle that first weekend.  Otherwise I should be around.   PM me for info.

Godspeed,
The Count




We'll be at Newcastle Appleseed too. June 6-7. See you there! Look forward to meetin'.

MWD
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: MichaelNotMike on May 19, 2009, 02:03:56 PM
Another bit of crystal ball thought: If the rest of the country collapses economically like it looks it might, and job seekers may realize that Wyoming is one of four states in the black, folks may move there a lot more quickly then they do now, strictly for survival, not for freedom.

Rents will go up. Jobs will be filled (as well as probably created.) Good deals on home purchases will be scarcer (until more homes are built). etc.

We want to be set up there, not getting set up there, if/when this all happens.


MWD
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: MamaLiberty on May 19, 2009, 03:33:44 PM
Michael and DebraJean, I'm sitting here with a big case of the happy sniffles reading this. So darn happy I could split something. Can't wait to give you both a big Wyoming Mama Hug... and any of the rest of you who come too, of course. I've got an endless supply. :)

The Appleseed should be a blast!
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: Bigduane on May 19, 2009, 03:42:38 PM
Yes I am in Louisiana and yes it is a racial powderkeg. Those who live in the northwest may not have heard of the Jena 6 but I was out there with a TAC team. I went into New Orleans after Katrina with the TAC team and I know how bad it was there. I dont want to hurt anyone but I dont want them to hurt me ethier. I may have to just get up and go to Wyoming one day soon. I wish I was going to Appleseed in Newcastle.
 Bigduane
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: DT on May 19, 2009, 04:12:59 PM
Cheers!

Hope to see you guys when we get there, too.  :)
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: MichaelNotMike on May 19, 2009, 05:03:02 PM
Quote from: MamaLiberty on May 19, 2009, 03:33:44 PM
Michael and DebraJean, I'm sitting here with a big case of the happy sniffles reading this. So darn happy I could split something. Can't wait to give you both a big Wyoming Mama Hug... and any of the rest of you who come too, of course. I've got an endless supply. :)

The Appleseed should be a blast!

Shucks! thank you.

MWD
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: MichaelNotMike on May 19, 2009, 05:03:43 PM
Quote from: DT on May 19, 2009, 04:12:59 PM
Cheers!

Hope to see you guys when we get there, too.  :)

Yay!

Any idea on when that is?

MWD
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: MichaelNotMike on May 19, 2009, 05:20:12 PM
Quote from: Bigduane on May 19, 2009, 03:42:38 PM
.... I dont want to hurt anyone but I dont want them to hurt me ethier...
 Bigduane

Exactly. Pretty much my motto.

I think there will be far less "hurt thy neighbor" in Wyoming than in the South should things go far askew in the US of A. Just one more reason to move to Wyoming....But if, God forbid, SHTF happened, Wyoming is much more conducive to "block thy lootin' neighbor", for several reasons, including capacity to own, practice and carry blocking gear, as well as thy neighbors being fewer and further away. I don't imagine they'd get nearly as far going door to door in Wyoming saying "Um, we're going to need to take away your guns" as they did (for some reason) in New Orleans.

On a tangental note, this is a photo of people burying a dead neighbor with whatever is available in New Orleans after Katrina.
"Tired of waiting for authorities to help, citizens rescue the living, bury the dead"
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/object/article?f=/c/a/2005/09/04/MNG16EIE0K1.DTL&o=0&type=printable
The woman kneeling and praying on the left, Maggie, is my ex-girlfriend. She's incredibly good people if you ever get a chance to meet her.

This is one of the most intense photos I've ever seen.

She's still a friend and I felt so unable to help her. I was in Prague when it happened and when I first saw this photo.

MWD
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: MichaelNotMike on May 19, 2009, 08:14:08 PM
Quote from: MichaelNotMike on May 19, 2009, 01:47:10 PM
...And two earthquakes in the past two weeks may have nudged us a little, too!) ....

Make that THREE earthquakes in two weeks. Had another one this afternoon!

MWD
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: wyomiles on May 19, 2009, 08:42:56 PM
Good job you two ! If you are interested we do have a place set aside here where folks can blog about their moving experience and their first few months or years in Wyoming.
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: biathlon on May 20, 2009, 05:59:55 AM
Snow people ;D Yup! Grand Targhee, Jackson, Snowy Range, Casper Mountain,      I believe I may have found some new dogs to play with! ;D
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: MichaelNotMike on May 20, 2009, 07:22:55 AM
Quote from: biathlon on May 20, 2009, 05:59:55 AM
.. I believe I may have found some new dogs to play with! ;D

Yay!

We're kitties, but we do play well with others.

MWD and DJD
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: MichaelNotMike on May 20, 2009, 07:26:05 AM
You know, DJ has never lived in snow. This should be interesting. She's only lived in SoCal and Texas. Whereas I grew up near Buffalo, NY, then lived in DC, then Virginia. (only lived in New Orleans for one summer.)

I lived in snow until I was 22.

Somewhere I have a photo of me at age 8 in front of a snow drift about four times my height.

MWD
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: Boston on May 21, 2009, 12:12:01 PM
It doesn't bother me if FSWer-type folks move here without posting an SofI.
I'm pleased however they get here, with or without direct affiliation with the FSW.

Boston
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: MichaelNotMike on May 21, 2009, 12:20:33 PM
Quote from: Boston on May 21, 2009, 12:12:01 PM
It doesn't bother me if FSWer-type folks move here without posting an SofI.
I'm pleased however they get here, with or without direct affiliation with the FSW.

Boston

Excellent.

And thank you again for the inspiration. If I'd never picked up You and the Police, we'd be moving to West Virginia this year. That was our plan last fall. In retrospect, probably not a great plan. (Though possibly marginally better than where California will be soon.)

DJ and I are giddy about this new plan.

Been talking to realtors all morning, in Casper, Cheyenne and Gillette.
MWD
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: Bigduane on May 21, 2009, 01:07:05 PM
When my sister, brother-in-law and nephew(8) were moving to Rochester NY from south Texas, I bought my nephew a snow shovel. He thought I was joking about the snow. My brother-in-law was raised in NY City and knew I was right. They have been there now for 2 winters and my nephew wants out. ::) ::) I am still evaluating my situation. I may have to wait until spring 2010. But that will still be earlier than 2012 which was my original target date. I want to wait for the snow to melt so I can get my U-Haul to northeast Wyoming.
  Stock market down 177 points right now. There goes the bailout money ;D ;D
 Bigduane
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: judithevans on May 21, 2009, 03:11:41 PM
Welcome, Welcome, welcome!!!  If you happen into Fremont County we can surely put together a bar-b-que.  Give a holler.
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: MichaelNotMike on May 21, 2009, 06:55:22 PM
Quote from: judithevans on May 21, 2009, 03:11:41 PM
Welcome, Welcome, welcome!!!  If you happen into Fremont County we can surely put together a bar-b-que.  Give a holler.

Excellent! Thank you.

MWD
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: Michigan Escapee on May 21, 2009, 08:16:42 PM
Quote from: MichaelWDean on May 21, 2009, 06:55:22 PM
Quote from: judithevans on May 21, 2009, 03:11:41 PM
Welcome, Welcome, welcome!!!  If you happen into Fremont County we can surely put together a bar-b-que.  Give a holler.

Excellent! Thank you.

MWD

Make sure to tell me where you are holding it so I can drink too much and throw up on your lawn.  ;D
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: kylben on May 21, 2009, 08:43:24 PM
Micheal and Debra Jean, congratulations! You both seem so happy, I'm glad to see it.  Arnold lets another victim slip through his fingers.

Count, Sally and I expect to be passing through Sheridan in early September, we'd love to stop and say hi. 

Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: MichaelNotMike on May 21, 2009, 09:08:18 PM
Quote from: kylben on May 21, 2009, 08:43:24 PM
Micheal and Debra Jean, congratulations! You both seem so happy, I'm glad to see it.  Arnold lets another victim slip through his fingers.

Count, Sally and I expect to be passing through Sheridan in early September, we'd love to stop and say hi. 



Thanks man!

MWD
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: Brandy on May 22, 2009, 01:32:42 PM
Hope that you can get here and make WY your home.

I had hoped to be able to provide a much more eloquent welcome but due to a situation gone awry this is all I can muster at this time.

Brandy ~W~
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: DebraJean on May 22, 2009, 01:50:33 PM
Quote from: Brandy on May 22, 2009, 01:32:42 PM
Hope that you can get here and make WY your home.

I had hoped to be able to provide a much more eloquent welcome but due to a situation gone awry this is all I can muster at this time.

Brandy ~W~

Thank you, Brandy. Much appreciated.   ;D

Hope things calm for you soon. 

(As an aside, I really like the sentiment under your avatar pic, and concur wholeheartedly!)
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: socalserf on May 23, 2009, 07:58:17 AM
Congratulations on your up coming move.
I'm GREEN with envy.
You folks are very fortunate to have a mate who is on the same wave length.
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: MichaelNotMike on May 23, 2009, 07:22:23 PM
Quote from: socalserf on May 23, 2009, 07:58:17 AM
Congratulations on your up coming move.
I'm GREEN with envy.
You folks are very fortunate to have a mate who is on the same wave length.

Shucks! Thank you.

Well, we influence each other. She influenced me politically. She was always a Republican (with libertarian leanings, her dad turned her on to Heinlein when she was ten). I voted Democrat (sorry!) but also called myself an anarchist. (WTF?)

But somehow politics never came up until I decided to buy a shotgun, after someone tried to break in while we were home. She was originally very against the shotgun. But now we have five guns, she's a much better rifle and pistol shot than me. And she pours over gun catalogs and NRA magazines with the fervor of a college-age male looking at Playboy. ("Daddy! May I please have the pink Ruger .45 with the laser site for my birthday?")

We're now both registered with the Libertarian Party and both see liberalism as a creeping disease. It's been a long, wonderful trip from there to here.

One of the things that I brought to the table was the idea of gettin' the fudge outta California. I've lived all over, and never felt a lot of roots to any place, she's been very stable and also lived here in SoCal her whole life (except a few years in San Antonio and Houston, which she didn't much like).

We did a lot of research starting about a year before we got guns or heard of FSW. We'd narrowed it down to West Virginia or Washington State, but then I got You and the Police and fell down this gleeful rabbit hole and, well, that about brings you up to today.

We are going to live in Wyoming before the snowfall, hopefully a good bit sooner if the stars align. Her last day of work (of 15 years at the same place) is this coming Friday. We're both joyful about the future.

We feel blessed.

MWD
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: DebraJean on May 23, 2009, 07:35:24 PM
I'm SO happy to be married to this wonderful man, and so happy that we're moving to Wyoming!

And Michael, my dear husband, happy birthday Sir! Here's to the next 45 years!


--DebraJean
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: rhodges on May 23, 2009, 08:00:37 PM
Quote from: MichaelWDean on May 23, 2009, 07:22:23 PM
I voted Democrat (sorry!) but also called myself an anarchist. (WTF?)

That's not hard to explain.  A Democrat believes that he/she is an upstanding person and should be left alone, but EVERYONE ELSE is a greedy and mean-spirited psychopath just waiting for the chance to commit a crime, and that is why OTHER PEOPLE need to be tightly controlled.
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: MichaelNotMike on May 23, 2009, 08:19:39 PM
Quote from: rhodges on May 23, 2009, 08:00:37 PM
Quote from: MichaelWDean on May 23, 2009, 07:22:23 PM
I voted Democrat (sorry!) but also called myself an anarchist. (WTF?)

That's not hard to explain.  A Democrat believes that he/she is an upstanding person and should be left alone, but EVERYONE ELSE is a greedy and mean-spirited psychopath just waiting for the chance to commit a crime, and that is why OTHER PEOPLE need to be tightly controlled.


Exactly!!!!! Never heard it put it so succinctly.

Two other influences: my dad is a staunch Republican, and part of young people defining themselves is deciding what they're not, and it's always easy for young people to pick whatever their parents are as what they're not.

But moreover, my two older sisters, who helped raise me while my parents were both working, are very very liberal. One of them is even Sufi (which is sort of like a Muslim without the RPGs.)

When I read Molon Labe, and got to the (hilarious) part of the FedCop on the airplane (The one who told security "You're not smart enough to search my shoes!"),....you know that woman sitting on the plane next to him? The one who the FedCop can completely profile just by looking at her....(vegan, drives a Swedish car, reads Mother Jones, etc. etc..)....Well, reading that I thought "Wow! This reads as if Boston has sat next to both of my sisters on a plane!" (I have a theory that all of Boston's male characters, good guys and bad, have some Boston in them, at least in the positive and/or badass parts of their makeup. Boston...have you ever wanted to say the things to someone on a plane that that guy says to that woman?   ;D  )

That female character is so like a cross between my two sisters. 

My sisters, despite their politics, are decent people at the core. They were both a big influence on me, and loved me dearly. And my father disciplined me, but not my sisters. They were just nifty, fun buddies to me. So I grew up thinking "liberals are cool, conservatives are blustery buzzkills."

Took me over 40 years to really figure it all out, to examine it and come more realistic conclusions.

I still love my sisters, they still love me. But one of them recently told me "Please stop e-mailing me pictures of you and DJ with guns. I read my e-mail at work, and it scares my co-workers." (She's on the staff of an East Coast Ivy League university. Her job includes things like writing books to help train social workers.)

Make sense?

MWD
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: MichaelNotMike on May 23, 2009, 08:28:57 PM
Quote from: MichaelWDean on May 23, 2009, 08:19:39 PM
...it's always easy for young people to pick whatever their parents are as what they're not.....

One of my sisters is finding this out now. Her older son is 15 and a hellion, doesn't listen to authority in any form, is not a pacifist, and is very unlike his parents in most every way.

I guess when you raise a kid letting them do whatever they want to do, with no discipline, they might not listen to you when they become old enough to think for themselves a bit!

I saw this coming about ten years ago. And I smile when I think about it.

MWD
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: donnie-paul on May 25, 2009, 08:52:16 AM
YAY is right!!!

Good for you guys.

(why am I crying)
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: MichaelNotMike on May 25, 2009, 09:18:37 AM
Quote from: donnie-paul on May 25, 2009, 08:52:16 AM
YAY is right!!!

Good for you guys.

(why am I crying)


Don't cry! Move!

And thank you for the "yay!".

MWD
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: MichaelNotMike on June 23, 2009, 01:38:41 PM
We leave in less than two weeks. Packing now.

We reserved 26-foot truck, this one (this isn’t our house, but it’s the same sized truck we rented. We’re gonna tow our car behind it.)

(http://www.stinkfight.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/27461976_04f29215c7-300x225.jpg)

Bought a mess o’ moving boxes. Here’s the “kitty custom agents” checking in the new shipment:

(http://www.stinkfight.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/catsandmovingboxes-019-300x225.jpg)

(http://www.stinkfight.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/catsandmovingboxes-024-225x300.jpg)

(http://www.stinkfight.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/catsandmovingboxes-028-300x225.jpg)

We’re incredibly psyched. We love Wyoming, and can’t wait to live there.

MWD and DJD
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: LibertyJunkie on June 23, 2009, 04:28:31 PM
MichaelWDean,

Congratulations on your move! So what area did you guys end up deciding on? Maybe you already said and I missed it.  I wish you guys the best of luck on your move and we'll be right behind you, almost like a caravan of moving vans leaving Kalifornia.
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: MichaelNotMike on June 23, 2009, 04:38:24 PM
Quote from: LibertyJunkie on June 23, 2009, 04:28:31 PM
MichaelWDean,

Congratulations on your move! So what area did you guys end up deciding on? Maybe you already said and I missed it.  I wish you guys the best of luck on your move and we'll be right behind you, almost like a caravan of moving vans leaving Kalifornia.

Thanks!

We're moving to Casper. Signed the lease today. Yay!

MWD
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: MamaLiberty on June 24, 2009, 09:14:58 AM
Say... do everyone a big favor, would you? Last one out turn off the lights and lock the door. Anyone still there after that can just like it or lump it. LOL
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: Boston on June 24, 2009, 09:17:15 AM
Very exciting news!
Thanks for moving to Wyoming!
Casper FSWers take note.

Boston
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: DebraJean on June 24, 2009, 07:15:00 PM
Quote from: MamaLiberty on June 24, 2009, 09:14:58 AM
Last one out turn off the lights and lock the door. Anyone still there after that can just like it or lump it. LOL

It'll be our pleasure!  ;D

We're so eager to be gone we're having to pace our packing so we don't box up everything we need to make it through these last few days days before we're scheduled to go.

You mentioned once that you celebrated upon setting foot in Wyoming. Frankly, my first celebration is going to be crossing out of Kalifornia and knowing I'll never have to come back again.

The real celebrations, though, will be shredding the Kali drivers licenses and taking the shotgun to the license plates (tip of the hat to you for a fine example there).

DJD

Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: MichaelNotMike on June 25, 2009, 12:00:43 AM
Quote from: Boston on June 24, 2009, 09:17:15 AM
Very exciting news!
Thanks for moving to Wyoming!
Casper FSWers take note.

Boston

Thank you!

We met up with six of the Casper FSWers for an open-carry restaurant lunch, then went shooting. Great folks, new friends. Looking forward to seeing y'all again soon.

MWD
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: MamaLiberty on June 25, 2009, 01:18:39 PM
Quote from: DebraJean on June 24, 2009, 07:15:00 PM
We're so eager to be gone we're having to pace our packing so we don't box up everything we need to make it through these last few days days before we're scheduled to go.

As a Marine brat and a Navy wife, I've moved more than I care to remember. One thing we always did, however, was pack a "survival box first. In there was the coffee pot,  some coffee, sugar, snacks, necessary paperwork, a hammer, screw driver, matches, light bulbs and such like that might be very necessary for life on both ends of the move. When I had children, that grew to two big boxes. One for the move and essentials for adults, one for toys, food, etc. for kids. Those boxes always went in the car with us - last in and first out. Made a BIG difference when faced with a mountain of boxes deposited by the moving van - ESPECIALLY when the van was delayed. I could tell you stories...   :P

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The real celebrations, though, will be shredding the Kali drivers licenses and taking the shotgun to the license plates (tip of the hat to you for a fine example there).

You just let me know if you want some help with that. I've got a few .45 slugs I'd be glad to contribute to the effort. LOL Makes much more impressive holes than a shotgun, I'd think... but it might be fun to compare. Heck, my old plates could stand a few more holes for that matter. We could prop them up against a good backstop and really enjoy ourselves. :)
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: MichaelNotMike on June 25, 2009, 01:23:58 PM
Quote from: MamaLiberty on June 25, 2009, 01:18:39 PM

... One thing we always did, however, was pack a "survival box first. In there was the coffee pot,  .... ESPECIALLY when the van was delayed. I could tell you stories...   :P

Yeah, we're thinking about the logistics now. Going to pack the mattress and coffee and T.P. last, would need that, at least, for the first night and morning when we get in late at night.

Van won't be delayed, because we're driving it there (and towing the car). If the van's delayed, we'll be delayed with it!

love, liberty, guns and cats,
MWD
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: Paul Bonneau on June 30, 2009, 07:56:40 PM
Might be fun to hang something in your back window as you drive out: "I'm done with Kalifornia!" or something to that effect.

Also, you might hang those bullet-ridden tags in a conspicuous spot. People will get a chuckle out of them.
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: MichaelNotMike on June 30, 2009, 09:54:39 PM
Well, we'll need them to drive out. But are going to the DMV in Wyoming first week there.

I wanna hang the shot-fulla-buckshot Cali tags on the front porch, DJ's opting for the back patio (which is lovely, will be nice for hanging with our new friends, and already has decorative antlers.) I think we may split the difference and put one on the back, and one in the front room window, facing out.

We are being gentle about appearances, at least at first, as we've rented a house in a very suburban neighborhood inside town in Casper. Don't wanna scare the neighbors too quickly, as this may be the house we die of old age in (we like it and may buy it). I want to get two flagpoles and hang a Gadsden flag and a Wyoming flag out front, but we'll probably do a USA flag and a Wyoming flag. We already have the Wyoming flag. Open carrying in this neighborhood, which we'll do, will probably elicit a "THINK OF THE CHILDREN!" response from homeowners. There are Neighborhood Watch signs there.

The house here is nearly packed up, we're just watching days click by until Sunday. Went today and did three "California things" before leaving: I got a tattoo (wife's name in a heart), we got Thai massages, and then ate sushi. Just woke now from the post-endorphin nap.

We are as happy as kids waiting for the start of summer. Happier.

MWD
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: MichaelNotMike on June 30, 2009, 10:05:55 PM
Packed boxes and not-yet-packed cats:

(http://www.nestlandia.com/upload/CatBox1Small.jpg)

(http://www.nestlandia.com/upload/CatBox2Small.jpg)
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: MichaelNotMike on July 01, 2009, 12:35:25 AM
Quote from: Paul Bonneau on June 30, 2009, 07:56:40 PM
Might be fun to hang something in your back window as you drive out: "I'm done with Kalifornia!"....


Isn't that in You and the Police, in a section called "While driving, try to attract as much random attention as possible"?  :D

I would LOVE to ride out of town blasting loud music and flipping the bird as I do it, with a banner that reads "SCREW Y'ALL, AND ENJOY YOUR FAILED SOCIAL EXPERIMENT" across the back of the bobtail truck.

But I think we'll try to slip under the radar. We're driving a big truck, towing a car, and driving through 4th of July weekend/Michael Jackson funeral traffic, on a day that might include riots and martial law, if the Gov. makes good on his threats to mail out IOUs to welfare recipients.

I'll sigh relief when we pass into Utah, and kiss the ground when we hit Evanston.

MWD
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: MamaLiberty on July 01, 2009, 07:04:54 AM
You may well be surprised to find that your new neighbors have nothing to say about your guns. Just go about your business and forget about it, but be prepared to answer questions in a positive manner if some tourist asks. I can always tell the tourists and some new transplants. They're the only ones who even seem to notice!

And you've given me an idea. I need to display my old plates more effectively. :)
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: Paul Bonneau on July 01, 2009, 07:36:13 AM
Yeah, it would probably be wise to drive out with a low profile. Still a nice fantasy though.

I almost always carry openly, also around my neighborhood. I'm still waiting for "the question" ("Why are you carrying?"), but it never comes up. Once in a great while someone asks, "What caliber?"  :)
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: manfromnevada on July 01, 2009, 08:05:57 AM
MWD,
If you should happen to get a ticket on the way out of town, you might consider paying it with an IOU! Today CA is starting to issue IOUS because they're FLAT BROKE because of their social programs. Turn about is fair play, right?

Mac
Ps. Good luck on your trip. Drive safely.
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: MichaelNotMike on July 01, 2009, 12:08:59 PM
Quote from: Paul Bonneau on July 01, 2009, 07:36:13 AM
.. I'm still waiting for "the question" ("Why are you carrying?"), ....

"So I can fight my way back to my rifle" probably wouldn't be the good answer, or what I'll answer, but it would be the fun answer.
 ~W~

MWD
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: MichaelNotMike on July 01, 2009, 12:12:07 PM
Quote from: manfromnevada on July 01, 2009, 08:05:57 AM
MWD,
If you should happen to get a ticket on the way out of town, you might consider paying it with an IOU! Today CA is starting to issue IOUS because they're FLAT BROKE because of their social programs. Turn about is fair play, right?


LOL!

We were going to pay our state taxes early to be "done with this state", but now that the IOUs may happen, we're gonna wait until April, because if they owe us any, we'd never see it again. Will pay Ceaser his due, when it's due. Not estimated pay early to "clear our plate."

A very accurate and kind description I heard recently of California was "a failed social experiment." I like that, and am going to use it.

MWD
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: elk on July 01, 2009, 12:55:12 PM
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A very accurate and kind description I heard recently of California was "a failed social experiment." I like that, and am going to use it.

Don't fret, its not the "only" failed social experiment.  Apparently Fabians, Leninists, Maoists, Marxists, Monarchists and Democrats always try to experiment on other people's hides, and apparently, they always spew such silky rhetoric about how nice it is to have "government services" or "free services for everyone" but they forget that NOTHING is free.  Everything is paid for by someone's effort.

And eventually Atlas shrugs, and the freebies stop... they all fail to ask... what then?

For example, Commiefornia chased Atlas out (I still salute Ronnie Barret for telling them to stuff it where the sun don't shine and stomping off with his operation.)  Now that Atlas shrugged in Commiefornia, the freebies have, predictably, run out.  Good riddance to bad rubbish, as the quote goes.

Personally I'm partially excited and partially worried, but mostly worried because electronics and electrical components are fairly hard to come by, unless one guts integrated products.  Repair shops and repair parts suppliers are getting VERY rare out here.

I'm curious if components suppliers are any rarer in Wyoming, not per capita but per area.  Any ideas?
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: Big Ugly on July 01, 2009, 01:33:17 PM
Michael, just remember, if they pay their debts with an IOU they must be willing to accept an IOU for payment as well.
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: MichaelNotMike on July 01, 2009, 01:56:40 PM
Quote from: Big Ugly on July 01, 2009, 01:33:17 PM
Michael, just remember, if they pay their debts with an IOU they must be willing to accept an IOU for payment as well.

One would think it would work that way. But good luck and anyone who tries it, let me know how it works out for ya.

MWD
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: elk on July 01, 2009, 08:31:49 PM
If I'm not out of Virginia by the time Komissar Tim Kaine does the same thing, I'll be sure to post the correspondence up here... then again, I'd sooner jump in a 30 foot sloop and take my chances with the 50 foot waves out at sea... the waves can be dealt with... socialist komissars are DANGEROUS!

Congrats on the move, to both of ya (and happy birthday.)

As for comparing your move with the feeling kids get looking at their first day of summer vacation, think about it for a second or two.  Why did we all LOVE going on vacation?  Not for play, not for laziness, no... because somewhere subconsciously (if not consciously) we all KNEW that schools were internment camps... we were all celebrating freedom... if even a temporary freedom.

You're feeling that, but on a much larger scale.  Glad to hear it.
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: jubal on July 01, 2009, 08:49:39 PM


   Governments all fail sooner or later just by being gov. Inevitable. They just commit suicide. More power to them heh, heh. The problem,,,,, they keep breeding and re-inventing. Its time for a nut cuttin. >:D

   The capitol city of components in Wyo. is in Glenrock Wyo. So if you get here, need some, go there. Even they are having a hard time keeping stocked.

   Will probably be going there Fri. Will call tomorrow to see if they have what I need. If so, I will go.
   You never have enough ammo. or components.
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: MichaelNotMike on July 01, 2009, 08:55:03 PM
Quote from: elk on July 01, 2009, 08:31:49 PM
If I'm not out of Virginia by the time Komissar Tim Kaine does the same thing, I'll be sure to post the correspondence up here... then again, I'd sooner jump in a 30 foot sloop and take my chances with the 50 foot waves out at sea... the waves can be dealt with... socialist komissars are DANGEROUS!

Congrats on the move, to both of ya (and happy birthday.)


Thank you! We're loving it.

I've been vacillating between feeling like we're just moving, and feeling like we're escaping the death camps. Last night we were watching episodes of "Jericho", there was a scene where people passing from one town to another were stopped by a citizen-run checkpoint, and almost turned away (until someone recognized them) because they didn't have proof of residency. (Isn't that possibility mentioned in Surviving Y2K? come to think of it, I think the producers/writers of "Jericho" may have read all of Boston's books, there's so many themes in common, and the books came first.)

But when I saw that scene, I actually pulled our Wyoming rental lease out of the box that was going in the back of the truck and put those papers in my bag that goes with me up in the cab, in case I had to show it somewhere. (Put it with the papers we had to get from the vet for the proof of good health of the cats, because we may have to show them too if we have to stop the big truck at a weigh station, it may be considered a commercial vehicle, may depend on the loaded weight.)

MWD
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: MichaelNotMike on July 01, 2009, 08:56:56 PM
Quote from: jubal on July 01, 2009, 08:49:39 PM


   Governments all fail sooner or later just by being gov. Inevitable. They just commit suicide.....

Dealing with, and cleaning up, a suicide, is damn messy work. And suicidal people sometimes take out innocent bystanders in the process. Yikes!
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: elk on July 01, 2009, 09:04:11 PM
Quote
I've been vacillating between feeling like we're just moving, and feeling like we're escaping the death camps.

Maybe both, once Herr "Ahnuld" gets goose stepping?
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: elk on July 01, 2009, 09:08:09 PM
Jubal, Michael, I can't help but ponder that, perhaps, Arnold did Commiefornians a favor.  Tearing their welfare state apart will force them to either jump off a ledge or learn to survive and deal with one another without goobermint and thugocracy.

I could be wrong... it is just "a ponder" at this time.

Still, it almost seems like bonds are being deliberately cut to FORCE people to be free or die.  Maybe they're taking Patrick Henry's advice backwards?

Besides, just imagine how many of those La Raza and MS13 scumbags who came to live for free in America will run back to their originating mudholes once there's no more rich folks to fleece here?  They might hate "gringo" and "yanqui" but they sure as hell know whose blood and production they consume when they come to usurp "yanqui."
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: MichaelNotMike on July 01, 2009, 09:38:54 PM
Quote from: elk on July 01, 2009, 09:08:09 PM
Jubal, Michael, I can't help but ponder that, perhaps, Arnold did Commiefornians a favor.  Tearing their welfare state apart will force them to either jump off a ledge or learn to survive and deal with one another without goobermint and thugocracy.....

It's not that simple. Remember, it's California. Residents of this state are not going to wake up to a libertarian paradise tomorrow morning if IOUs get mailed out. Here's my prediction:

Increasing unrest, complaining, riots, crime and some more-than-usual murder throughout the summer. National Guard and Army restore "order" by fall. Obama prints a bunch more money and "fixes it", things go "back to normal" (but with more fed cops on every corner) by winter.

I'll say this: the U-Haul rental place was busier today than I've ever seen it. Lots of folks quietly moving out.

MWD
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: elk on July 01, 2009, 11:58:57 PM
Yeah, but I know from my own history that government on the streets == crushed economy... No profits for anyone but government and their cronies.  California is done for, economically.  Might as well use the next "bailout" to have everyone surviving there, issued one gun, one bullet.  Plus instructions how to blow their own brains out.  In 400 years, another traveler can "rediscover" California, and note that it has rich black top soil, very fertile and it will be farmed by very "earth friendly" local farmers who live in communes and have rediscovered the wonders of 40 year lifespans, high infant mortality and death from a myriad of plagues unheard of today.

Historians will discover the "remains" of "what appears to be a battlefield, ranging the entire californian state area, with many dead warriors still gripping a weapon as they died.  What appears most astonishing about this archaeological find is that all of these warriors seemed to have died from head trauma, and judging by the skull damage, these trauma were delivered via single pistol shots in most cases, leading us to surmise that the warriors of that day must have been at least as competent pistol shots as post Warrior Renaissance Americans are."    >:D >:D >:D

Other than that ending, there's roughly no other "happy" ending to that place.  They had a heaven on their hands and turned it into a slowly creeping hell.  Too bad it won't be safe to go over there in the next few months and shoot video as things deteriorate.  It'd make a great video to sell once this mess is all done with.
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: MamaLiberty on July 02, 2009, 09:02:03 AM
Jubal, I think you didn't notice that it was ELECTRONIC components being asked about. As far as I know, there are no local sources for these things in Wyoming. Might be a very good business for some entrepreneurial Wyoming transplant to consider setting up. The manufacture of components and building communication devices of all kinds should be a winner once the hammer falls. But then, what do I know?  :P
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: Michigan Escapee on July 03, 2009, 06:25:16 AM
Quote from: MamaLiberty on July 02, 2009, 09:02:03 AM
Jubal, I think you didn't notice that it was ELECTRONIC components being asked about. As far as I know, there are no local sources for these things in Wyoming. Might be a very good business for some entrepreneurial Wyoming transplant to consider setting up. The manufacture of components and building communication devices of all kinds should be a winner once the hammer falls. But then, what do I know?  :P

Copper is mostly from El Chino mines in New Mexico, some avionics and electrical wiring types places exist in Kansas, Nebraska, and Missiouri.  The bulk of actual microcircuits, solar panels, and all the rest are still based in California, Washington, Arizona, and Nevada.

If things fall apart however, there is the advantage of old infrastructure dumping. Self assembling circuitry is still pretty simple,
but if all peoples needs are less in the short time it could be giving a leg up pretty fast.

Consider the rise of continuous cast steel production in japan post WW2 vs US industries like Bethlehem steel that has infrastructure
dating well back into the 1800s. Hey if it ain't broke, don't fix it, who cares if it uses six times as much energy. ;)

Anyway, that's probably way in the long term.

For someone new and renting there's bound to be a long checklist of things to check into first. Furnace filters, burner health,
critters living in crawlspaces, attics, if the coyotes get into your trash, coons in the garage, rusted shutoff valves, hornet
nests from previous years, which phone jacks work, which light switches go to what and "mystery" switches that seem to go
to nothing. Oh yes, and for computer geeks the best thing to check has to be the hot,neutral, and ground checker plug in
device.

Rentals in rural areas are amazingly bad for having hot neutral lines, this can lead to much excitement when networking computers
in different parts of the house.  >:D The other one tend to be grounded plugs with no ground. Usually the "fix it" guy just replaces
the old two prong plug with a three prong plug when the old one breaks, on a good day he can remember that the black wire
goes to the small hole side. On a bad day this person might get confused and be thinking DC wiring, black is ground, just add another
wire from the black side to the extra negative plug on the bottom.  :P

Let see, hornets in the AC unit outside(for central heating/cooling) are good to know about before you turn it on.  If there happens
to be any simple burried cable powering the garage before you dig around to perimeter of your house. If the garbage disposal really
works or is just there for decoration/irritation and the same for any dishwashers. Washers and dryers are about the same situation.

Tubs and toilets also tend to provide some excitement after the first week, as specially if the house was vacant for a long time.

So just normal day to day living is bound to provide endless excitement in the short term I'm sure. As specially if someone asks
a question like "why is this old stack of pallets covered in old junk and newspapers buzzing ?" The answer, bees love abandoned
old pallets, as specially ones covered up already. How many bees per pallet one might ask ? Lots, a whole lot! 

Hmm, funky smells from stoves are another good one. Dead mice in the bottom drawer add a special something to those pot pies. ;)
And then there are carpet stains that don't show until you have all your lighting put in, and a pile of furniture already set up.

The best one has the be the old "haunted house effect". Load a house with furniture for twenty years, have it vacant for a few
years, and then reload it in a different patten. Add heating, cold, and moisture variability and the squeaks, creeks, and other
noises can be amazing.  :o

If you have a room with a particularly annoying "ghost" try loading the center down with boxes of books, or dial the heat down to 60
before you go to bed, with any luck you won't have dual bias squeaks.
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: Paul Bonneau on July 03, 2009, 08:53:13 AM
Uh, OK.  :)

I will confirm some of that. Many, many homes in Wyoming had no electrical inspections (YAY!  :D ) and have electrical wired by cowboy  :P but that means the future homeowner really ought to get one of those outlet checkers and go through the house, fixing bad grounds and swapping wires if neutral is mixed with hot. Another particularly Wyoming kinda thing, is you really need some high quality power strips with lightning arrestors because there are frequent thunderstorms here.

Hornets, however, are not Wyoming-specific.  :)
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: MamaLiberty on July 03, 2009, 10:25:14 AM
I'm not sure those "power strips" are much protection against anything but occasional static bursts, but I seriously doubt they'd be much help against lightning anywhere near close. When a thunderstorm is nearby, I go around and unplug sensitive items - especially electronics. They can be damaged by a close strike even unplugged, I understand... but we do what we can.

One of the dangers I was not aware of until a few years ago is the occasional LOW voltage. If things like compressors in the refrigerator are running and this happens, it can damage them -especially over time. Anyway, this is what I've been told.

The question, then, is what can be done to protect them? Currently, if I see the lights dim, I unplug the refrigerator until the lights are steady again for at least an hour or so. This has only happened a few times, but I am concerned about it happening when I'm not home. Is there some sort of protection device for that?

Off topic, I know... but then I didn't start it.  >:D  :P
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: Big Ugly on July 03, 2009, 10:47:07 AM
Mama, it's simple!
Just get a battery backup UPS system that will handle the entire wattage load for you house.
Right after you take out a second mortgage to pay for it!

There's always a cure, it just may cost too much to be worthwhile.

Low voltage with the same resistance equals higher current. Yes, if a device runs for a long period of time under those conditions it could be damaged. Usually a high current or high temp overload will shut the unit down before any real damage occurs.

If you use a power strip for computer protection make sure the overloads kick in in less than 1/2 cycle. If it's unplugged it's not a problem unless it's hit by the lightning. Just make sure that it's UNPLUGGED! That means power, phone, cable, etc., anything from the outside must be unplugged.
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: MichaelNotMike on July 03, 2009, 11:24:17 AM
Quote from: MamaLiberty on July 03, 2009, 10:25:14 AM
I'm not sure those "power strips" are much protection against anything but occasional static bursts....


They need to be surge protector power strips. Not all power strips have surge protectors. Though if they are not surge protectors, but have a circuit breaker (which you have to reset after they flip), they may offer some protection, but possibly not enough.

MWD
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: snakekhawk_54 on July 03, 2009, 01:04:17 PM
        This is a little off topic.But I wanted to wish everyone a safe happy 4th of July. And may it turn to be a free one.   snakekhawk_54
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: Andrew on July 03, 2009, 01:06:20 PM
Quote from: MichaelWDean on July 03, 2009, 11:24:17 AM
They need to be surge protector power strips. Not all power strips have surge protectors. Though if they are not surge protectors, but have a circuit breaker (which you have to reset after they flip), they may offer some protection, but possibly not enough.

And they need to be plugged into a grounded circuit.   All that extra "juice" needs to go somewhere in the event of a surge/spike.   Problem is that many older homes don't have grounded circuits.  
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: MamaLiberty on July 03, 2009, 01:08:03 PM
I have a big APC battery backup and super surge protector for the computers and printer and that is turned OFF when I get done here. Most electronic stuff is not left plugged in unless I'm using it. The refrigerator is the one I physically unplug from the wall in the case of a fadeout, but that's only happened (when I was home) twice in something like the last 6 or 7 years.

In an electric storm, if I can "feel" the static building as the lightning gets closer, I will go around and unplug everything from the wall. Up here on this hill, overlooking the wide prairie, the strikes can come mighty close. I've felt the hair on my head start to rise a number of times. Scary stuff! :)

My house was built in 2000, and the engineer who inspected it before I bought it said everything was properly grounded.
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: Michigan Escapee on July 03, 2009, 01:20:29 PM
Quote from: MamaLiberty on July 03, 2009, 10:25:14 AM
I'm not sure those "power strips" are much protection against anything but occasional static bursts, but I seriously doubt they'd be much help against lightning anywhere near close. When a thunderstorm is nearby, I go around and unplug sensitive items - especially electronics. They can be damaged by a close strike even unplugged, I understand... but we do what we can.

One of the dangers I was not aware of until a few years ago is the occasional LOW voltage. If things like compressors in the refrigerator are running and this happens, it can damage them -especially over time. Anyway, this is what I've been told.

The question, then, is what can be done to protect them? Currently, if I see the lights dim, I unplug the refrigerator until the lights are steady again for at least an hour or so. This has only happened a few times, but I am concerned about it happening when I'm not home. Is there some sort of protection device for that?

Off topic, I know... but then I didn't start it.  >:D  :P

Ahh, what to do about a 5-10 amp load and line sags. Always the easy questions.

Well, the kludge would be to snake your hand in and dial down the fridge to like 2-3 if its on 8-9. This prevents it from
kicking on every ten minutes. The downside is, after 4-5 hours things may tend to thaw, and you may tend to forget
if the electric storm is causing distractions.

Another widget is a voltage controller for your fridge, plug it into the wall, plug the fridge into that. The idea was that
these cut down the startup surge and lowered power consumption on old fridges. They also tended to keep the lights
from dimming as much if your local grid power was bad, or your generator was wimpy.  If lighting hits, its a solid state
device and tends to blow up before the fridge.

They also do make MOVs(surge suppressors) that clip right into your breaker panel. One side hot to neutral, and other
other side hot to neutal. If you want neutral to ground I think you would have to manually wire it in rather than just
snapping them in. The idea was you don't have to surge suppress every outlet.

The last alternative for line sags, really big honking coils. Small ones are the size of a breadbox, big ones are the size of
mobile homes. Considering the cost of copper these days, I hate to think what they cost now. In the 90s a small eighty
pound one was a few hundred bucks. Probably why battery/inverter backups are the soultion from pretty much everyone.

Flywheel backups, some places have em, never seen one. Come back in forty years maybe they'll have a hardware store
version.

Now, back onto topic. What are the particular indigenous irritations of wyoming for a new person ? No booze on sundays,
fireants, carnivorous squirrels, armadillos, large flying birds that attack shiney things, gas stations closing on sunday at 4pm?
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: MamaLiberty on July 03, 2009, 01:29:10 PM
The only two negative things I can say about Wyoming involve the idiot "permit" required to CC, and the fact that I can't just shoot the damned (king's) deer that are damaging my baby trees. Of course, one or both of those are a problem most everywhere.

But I can cope...
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: MichaelNotMike on July 03, 2009, 01:54:33 PM
That's actually more on topic.  ;)
MWD
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: Michigan Escapee on July 03, 2009, 04:07:38 PM
Quote from: MamaLiberty on July 03, 2009, 01:29:10 PM
The only two negative things I can say about Wyoming involve the idiot "permit" required to CC, and the fact that I can't just shoot the damned (king's) deer that are damaging my baby trees. Of course, one or both of those are a problem most everywhere.

But I can cope...

Yeah, the deer subject was always a fun one in michigan. You ask the question of "have you tried blood meal", the ones who
don't say "eew", "ick", and "nasty!" say that it just lures in the coons and possums.

However, while you need a permit to shoot and kill the deer, if you "accidentally" nail one about eight times with a BB rifle
or some sort of airsoft gun while target shooting in the back yard, whos to know ?  >:D

A slingshot and something about the size of a shooter marble might also be handy. 
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: MichaelNotMike on July 03, 2009, 04:37:52 PM
Getting off topic. Maybe split hunting/survival/gear debate to another thread?

Thank you.

MWD
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: MamaLiberty on July 03, 2009, 04:53:03 PM
Lots of threads for those, Michael. These things tend to inter relate. I'll go away.  :-X  :):)
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: MichaelNotMike on July 03, 2009, 05:03:55 PM
Quote from: MamaLiberty on July 03, 2009, 04:53:03 PM
Lots of threads for those, Michael. These things tend to inter relate. I'll go away.  :-X  :):)

I'm not saying go away, and I'm not saying that everything is not interrelated, it is.

I don't mind tangents, but it feels like we've lost the plot. The plot, as related to my original post when I started the thread, was me and Debra Jean crowing about the joy of the fact that we're finally moving. I'm going to post more about that as we're on the road, and once we're there. At the rate the thread is splintering, it's going to feel like I'm hijacking when I post again about the original thread!  :D

The Internet is an open playing field, but that means it has to be self-moderating to have any usefulness. I'm not playing cop, I'm making a gentle nudge back to what I started typing about six pages ago, the place it was at for the first five page, and I'd love to have it sort of still resemble when it's at page ten.

respectfully,
MWD
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: jubal on July 03, 2009, 05:31:52 PM


   There is an old Arabian proverb. "the dogs bark and the caravan goes on".

   Pretty analagous to governments. There have been thousands of governments for thousands of years. Most or all of them are gone, the ones existing now will sooner or later be gone. The one we put up with in this country today will be gone in the future too, its just a given. Governments do not last but people and social and business structures do. Governments once they outlast their usefullness usually end up in the waist bind of the past. Most governments expire from simple suicide just by growing in to tyrranical entities and the citizenry must end them to save themselves and their future from it. Ends of governments are cyclical, and in all actuality no great loss and usually for the betterment of all. Governments would have no example or frame of reference without societies to base themselves upon.
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: MamaLiberty on July 04, 2009, 06:12:33 AM
Michael, I was just teasing... :)
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: MichaelNotMike on July 04, 2009, 01:15:32 PM
Quote from: MamaLiberty on July 04, 2009, 06:12:33 AM
Michael, I was just teasing... :)

Even with smilies, I can't always tell what the Internet is saying.

Look forward to talking more face to face!  ~W~ :)

MWD
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: MichaelNotMike on July 04, 2009, 02:01:37 PM
LAST FULL DAY IN CALIFORNIA:

I walk to the local post office almost every day. Yesterday evening, I took my last ever walk there. What is usually ordinary to me felt religious, because it was the last time I'll take that walk (we're leaving for more-free pastures in Wyoming tomorrow).

I took pictures on my walk. I kept thinking to myself "California sure would be a beautiful place to live if it weren’t for all those damn Californians!"

More pix and blog post is here: http://www.stinkfight.com/2009/07/04/our-last-full-day-in-california/ (http://www.stinkfight.com/2009/07/04/our-last-full-day-in-california/)

(http://www.lifeamp.org/stuff/lastdayofpostoffice-004small.jpg)

(http://www.lifeamp.org/stuff/lastdayofpostoffice-018small.jpg)
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: Future/Now on July 05, 2009, 12:09:57 AM
Quote from: MichaelWDean on July 04, 2009, 02:01:37 PM
LAST FULL DAY IN CALIFORNIA:

With a lot of hard/smart work and a timely dose of good fortune, the day I finally say that myself may not be too terribly far off. Congratulations!

Quote
I walk to the local post office almost every day. Yesterday evening, I took my last ever walk there. What is usually ordinary to me felt religious, because it was the last time I'll take that walk (we're leaving for more-free pastures in Wyoming tomorrow).


Although I understand completely the idea of a last walk (been there, done it), if ya REALLY wanted to enjoy your "last day in KA" to the fullest, you should have come down to SD, taken a train to Tijuana and partied like a dumb American/Canadian frat jock. Then again, getting back home in one piece would certainly have been a somewhat slight question mark....but at least you coulda told your grandkids ya'd been to TJ and survived the trip back! ;D >:D

Quote
I took pictures on my walk. I kept thinking to myself "California sure would be a beautiful place to live if it weren’t for all those damn Californians!"

Or at least the socialistas that had them brainwashed for the past 40-50-odd years. But believe me, I know what you mean.
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: snakekhawk_54 on July 05, 2009, 12:50:43 AM
   I'm glad to hear that you are finally out there. Cali. would not be a bad place, if it wasn't for about 99% of the people there. I spent enough time there when I was in the Marines. I couldn't wait to get out of there. That was back in '70. I hear it's a lot worse now.

                                           snakekhawk_54(Toney Evns)
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: MichaelNotMike on July 05, 2009, 12:54:04 AM
Thank you both!

I'm looking forward to it so much. May have trouble sleeping tonight, but need to sleep. Tomorrow is a long day!

MWD
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: MichaelNotMike on July 06, 2009, 03:23:21 AM
update:


We're in St. George, Utah at a hotel. 1/3 of way to our new home in Wyoming. yay!
Was a hellishly hot drive, 11 hours, in a big truck. We're very tired. And very happy!


Peace, Cats, and Guns,
MWD
 ~W~
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: MamaLiberty on July 06, 2009, 06:47:06 AM
So glad to hear you made it out of there without running into riots or being captured as fleeing tax slaves... :) Just think how sound you'll sleep once you make it home to Wyoming. :)

Congratulations!!!
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: MichaelNotMike on July 06, 2009, 09:04:33 PM
WE'RE IN WYOMING! YAY! WE LIVE HERE NOW! MEW!
We're in a hotel tonight, tomorrow we drive to our new home in Casper.

Very tired, long hellish day, long story. and the cats hate us, but they're fine.

More in a day or two.

THANK YOU ALL!

MWD
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: DebraJean on July 06, 2009, 09:05:18 PM
Yes, we are Daddy! We're in Wyoming, and I'm so happy.

Gotta run, I have cats to wash.

Debra Jean
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: Rich on July 06, 2009, 09:32:38 PM
Congratulations on your sucessful move.

I will never forget mine.

Rich
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: MamaLiberty on July 07, 2009, 06:10:29 AM
Congratulations! I'm glad you got out ahead of the riots after all. :)  And yes, Rich, I still get chills up and down my spine thinking of my escape from Calif... and my new life here. What a blessing.

Washing cats? Why would they need to be washed? No wonder they hate you!  :P >:D Let them wash themselves! Poor kitties. :)
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: Big Ugly on July 07, 2009, 07:44:44 AM
Hi, Debra Jean,
Washing the cats is really easy!
Hold them by the handle provide by the Almighty ...
lift the lid, flush, dunk once or twice .....
let go and they will air dry at high speed!

If they are really dirty, just drop-in, close the lid and the super-agitation cycle begins immediately.
A note of warning, however ..... exercise extreme caution when opening the lid .... the angle of trajectory will be a complete unknown.
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: springtime10 on July 07, 2009, 08:32:58 AM
Hey Michael and Debra:
You didn't visit us on the way (near Salt Lake City, Utah)...
you passed right within 20 miles of us.
boo hoo.
springtime06
I used to love California. Then my grown son and daughter moved to Utah. Also I promised to join the FSNH folks but went up there and didn't like the cold/humidity (cold/dry is better, imo).
and then came Boston and fsw and I'm only one state away. It seems the socialist/fascists all love sunny warm climates and go there and change the places to tyrannical: but friends in Monana say some ex Californians are trying to do it to Montana too. Sigh always opposing forces, never easy.
Anyway congratulations on your move, tell us about Casper when you are there for a while.
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: Big Ugly on July 07, 2009, 09:55:56 AM
Michael & Debra Jean,
If you come through here, give a call and you'll get an armed, motorcycle escort - or maybe lunch!

Be safe, glad you made it.
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: colonial shooter on July 07, 2009, 11:45:23 AM
A small update. Just spoke to them and they are about 50 miles outside of Rawlins. ETA around 3pm.
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: biathlon on July 07, 2009, 12:15:32 PM
Hey, look on the bright side folks. At least they didn't bring any sheep! ::)
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: Michigan Escapee on July 07, 2009, 08:05:46 PM
Why worry about sheep ? I thought you guys had more wolves and coyotes than you knew what to do with ?
Your predator problem solves the sheep problem. They eat the sheep, and stay out of your garbage for a few
days. problem solved. ;)  Now if only you guys had something big enough to take out a buffalo cow hybrid, I
hate those things, the noises they make are worse than city noises.  :P

On the cat washing problem, I always had good luck with a shallow stock tank, say about 2 feet deep. Drop em
in and they get moist enough in the half second before they can bounce out. After that they take care of the
rest, and usually leave you alone for an hour or two.  >:D
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: FAL_guy on July 08, 2009, 06:36:31 PM
Michael and Debra Jean wanted me to let everyone know that they made it safely yesterday afternoon.  They won't have Internet access for a couple days, but they're incredibly happy to be here.  As an aside, one of their new neighbors was the first to bring up the .45 caliber burglar repellent, on a positive.
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: DT on July 08, 2009, 08:48:04 PM
I can't wait to do the same.


:: happy dance ::    :D
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: MichaelNotMike on July 12, 2009, 12:45:22 PM
We made it to Wyoming, and we LOVE it!

I can only post quick update (I'm at a copy shop, paying to use my laptop) until Wednesday (when DSL gets hooked up at our house) but wanted to say we made it.

It was quite an "Adventure in moving" from Los Angeles (more like three days of nervous hell, with very little sleep, in ghetto hotels, the only ones that will let you have cats AND smoke).

Driving big truck (wife did most of the driving) was scary, cats were traumatized by the move, they're recovering nicely. We love our new place, the cats love it, and our neighbors are all nice and gun friendly.

It's BEAUTIFUL in Casper. We're loving living here already.

And the line at the DMV took 20 minutes in and out, with no appointment, to get Wyoming licenses (though a few long-time residents were complaining "it doesn't usually take this long!"). And it was mellow, no one raised their voice, and the line was us sitting in CHAIRS. How sweet!

In Los Angeles, it takes a minimum of an hour and a half to do anything at the DMV, with an appointment, and it usually feels like a fist fight is going to break out.

When in Rome:
We bought a DSA FAL our second day here. Yay!

Here's DJ with what we drove here in:
(http://www.lifeamp.org/truckDrivinMomma.jpg)

Me kissing the ground in Wyoming just over the border (and a big blue beast swooping down to eat me.)
(http://www.lifeamp.org/kissTheGround.jpg)

MWD
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: Big Ugly on July 12, 2009, 03:39:12 PM
Hi, Kids!
Welcome home!
Now I have another reason to ride over to Casper!

Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: springtime10 on July 12, 2009, 03:58:18 PM
Congratulations Mike and Debra! Enjoy.
give me a head up on the climate now and then as the days unfold. Does Casper feel very big at 50,000 pop or do you feel like you are in a community in your area?
springtime06
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: Paul Bonneau on July 12, 2009, 09:08:51 PM
Quote
And the line at the DMV took 20 minutes in and out...

20 minutes? Must live in a big town.  ;)
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: Boston on July 13, 2009, 09:18:15 AM
DOING it, indeed!  Well done!
I look forward to dropping by sometime!
 ~W~
Boston
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: Warren Kruse on July 13, 2009, 10:32:09 AM
Gee, Boston, will you ever drop by our shop in Thermop???  Saw you up the street in Worland back in, what, Aug '05...still ain't seen hide 'nor hair of you since.  Hope you have made it to Wyoming...
Oh well, but keep an eye out for our store bumperstickers...
THE MORE I LEARN ABOUT GOVERNMENT,
THE MORE I LOVE MY GUNS!
FourWindsTradingPostThermopolis
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: manfromnevada on July 13, 2009, 01:29:27 PM
MWD,
My heart goes out to you for having to wait in a line. That's what you get in a "big" city in WY!
At the Sundance DMV I've never seen a "line". Maybe one person being helped, often you walk right up.

Appointments? Yeah, I remember those old days a long time time ago. Smog checks too!


Glad you two are here. Be sure to look me up if you have a chance to return to Crook County.

Mac

Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: socalserf on July 14, 2009, 12:24:00 AM
Congratulations MWD and DebraJean!

I am so glad you'se and the cats made it OK.

Micheal, now that you are in Wyoming you might need a Native American name,
may I suggest, "All walk, No talk".
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: Boston on July 14, 2009, 09:33:00 AM
Quote
Gee, Boston, will you ever drop by our shop in Thermop???  Saw you up the street in Worland back in, what, Aug '05...still ain't seen hide 'nor hair of you since.  Hope you have made it to Wyoming...
Oh well, but keep an eye out for our store bumperstickers...
THE MORE I LEARN ABOUT GOVERNMENT,
THE MORE I LOVE MY GUNS!
FourWindsTradingPostThermopolis

Haven't been in Thermop in awhile, but will make a point to stop by next time!
Thanks for being on the forum!

Boston
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: Warren Kruse on July 14, 2009, 10:43:39 AM
@Boston
Cool...maybe you would like a section for some of your books?  I'd like to get others germane to WYO and liberty, like Mark's Neither Predator Nor Prey, and make a nice liberty book section.  Suggestions are welcomed.

Yeah, I'll get more active on this forum now.  After getting moved and slightly unpacked (still digging out boxes four years later), getting our shop more towards something we can be proud of--err, uhmm, well, at least not SO embarrassed by, peeling years of bandaids and fixing associated disrepair from these historical buildings, and the incredible amount of energy and folks around during the whole Paul campaign...after all that, I'm starting to get some free time for FSW again.  Oh yeah, also after I have earned the respect of those I want around, and figured out who the statists are, I now don't care so much about who knows I hang around the FSW movement.  These 'greenies' have made it through 4 winters, so some jerks mean absolutely nothing to us at this point.  The best thing is, this experience has brought me and my wife closer together!



Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: snakekhawk_54 on July 14, 2009, 12:38:12 PM
  thermopolinian, I live in Riverton and we come to Thermopolis all the time. The next time we are there we will stop and say hi. Semper Fi.
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: Warren Kruse on July 14, 2009, 07:30:03 PM
@snakehawk
Cool!  We like the political climate over there in Fremont county, and Lander specifically.  Senator Cale Case is pretty cool, and he is collecting a group of Liberty-minded folks around him.  I'll go find the interview he recently did with K2, and the journalist is a Pauler, to boot! ~W~  Real quick, Cale was talking about the evils of the Economic Development scam being run on citizens by those orbiting around local governments with the help of the state thieves.  And we just killed big time (81% nay) a new tax our local rep was trying to foist on us to benefit the local quasi-governmental EDC.  But they, with her help of course, have already pissed away over $3 million on their very ill-concieved 'business park'. >:( 
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: Warren Kruse on July 14, 2009, 07:36:23 PM
Oh yeah.  Are you going to make it to the LibertyFest over on the outskirts of Lander, snakehawk?
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: springtime10 on July 14, 2009, 10:17:18 PM
Lander and Riverton sound ok too...
Probably lots of suitable areas with climates better than Park City, Ut...and many worse of course.
We live where it's VERY windy, not even fun walking on a warm day, have to drive somewhere not windy to enjoy a hike, bummer...here that is.
springtime06
anyway use realtor.com to sell their own house?
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: MichaelNotMike on July 15, 2009, 04:05:22 PM
Got interweb at home today. Finally feel unpacked.  ;D

I really really like it here. A LOT!

MWD  ~W~
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: MamaLiberty on July 15, 2009, 04:09:06 PM
Wonderful! Now you can stop lurking in the library! LOL

How are the kitties coping?
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: MichaelNotMike on July 15, 2009, 04:18:26 PM
Quote from: MamaLiberty on July 15, 2009, 04:09:06 PM
Wonderful! Now you can stop lurking in the library! LOL

How are the kitties coping?

Kitties finally quit hiding a few days ago. They're all better, and love that we have more windows, and more space to hide, and more birds outside the windows!

I posted my pet travel trips here, if anyone wants thoughts on that:
http://www.thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=22148.msg288197#msg288197 (http://www.thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=22148.msg288197#msg288197)

MWD
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: Brandy on July 15, 2009, 04:57:27 PM
Welcome Home!

Wyoming is the best kept secret for those who are willing to not be so pampered.  If you get out this way or think you are coming the way let us know.  We are always up to providing a home cooked meal of antelope or deer or elk.

Brandy ~W~
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: MichaelNotMike on July 15, 2009, 05:08:18 PM
Quote from: Brandy on July 15, 2009, 04:57:27 PM
Welcome Home!

Wyoming is the best kept secret for those who are willing to not be so pampered.  If you get out this way or think you are coming the way let us know.  We are always up to providing a home cooked meal of antelope or deer or elk.

Brandy ~W~

Sounds great. Yum!
Where's "this way"? (feel free to I.M.)

MWD
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: jubal on July 15, 2009, 05:31:57 PM


   That is good. Settle in and get comfortable.
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: MichaelNotMike on July 15, 2009, 08:04:35 PM
Hope no one here gets sick of my "man, things are different in Casper from Los Angeles", even though they're all "It's better in Wyoming" not "well, back HOME we did things differently (better)" like I imagine some ex-pats from Kali say. I just point them out because I'm astonished we didn't move here years ago.

One is people driving ATVs on the street. I dig that. In Nanny-Fornia, that would be illegal, so is riding anything without a helmet. (And having your dog on the back, as I've seen, would be a third charge on your ticket.)

Another thing is people speaking their mind. While it can get a little disorienting to know the entire medical history of someone you just met (and their family), I'm amazed how much people offer about themselves and their thoughts. I already know more about my neighbors in a week (and I like my neighbors more) than I knew about my neighbors of years in Nanny-Fornia. People here ain't pushy, they're just friendly and want to tell you about themselves. And don't seem to be fishing to know much back. Maybe they are, but if I only tell what I'm comfortable with, no one seems to care.

And FALs at sporting goods stores! ? I can't believe the guns for sale here.  :o  :D  ~W~ Not just at gun stores, but at basketball & fishing stores! I previously somehow thought that battle rifles was something favored by y'all only. Man...I didn't know joe six pack gets 'em to hunt antelope too!

We were astonished when we went to get insurance and the insurance lady had this conversation with us:

Insurance lady: "So which one of you will be the primary name on the account?"
Me: (without asking my wife.) "That will be me."
Insurance lady: "That's great. I think it's so sad these days that more men don't take the lead in a marriage. It's part of what's wrong with the world....."

She talked for about three uninterrupted minutes about women's place as an equal but support to the man. She quoted the Bible. She talked about sisification destroying all that is good, about the good ole days, etc.

I just nodded my head. I agreed with most of what she was saying, but couldn't say much, I was a little too in shock, in a good way.

In California, she would be fired for saying all that....because it would be contrary to her employer's opinions, or possibly even a violation of state law. I dug it. She was saying it within earshot of her boss, 15 feet away through an open door. And she wasn't whispering.

It's nice to live in America again. I'm 45 now and I haven't lived in America since I was 18.


MWD

p/s I cannot hear hip hop from inside my house here. Hallelujah!
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: MichaelNotMike on July 15, 2009, 08:06:54 PM
Quote from: MichaelWDean on July 15, 2009, 04:18:26 PM
Quote from: MamaLiberty on July 15, 2009, 04:09:06 PM
Wonderful! Now you can stop lurking in the library! LOL

How are the kitties coping?

Kitties finally quit hiding a few days ago. They're all better, and love that we have more windows, and more space to hide, and more birds outside the windows!

I posted my pet travel trips here, if anyone wants thoughts on that:
http://www.thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=22148.msg288197#msg288197 (http://www.thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=22148.msg288197#msg288197)

MWD

Oops. The correct link for the cat care tips are here:
http://www.thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=22148.msg288186#msg288186 (http://www.thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=22148.msg288186#msg288186)
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: MichaelNotMike on July 15, 2009, 08:10:16 PM
Bleah. that was a quote of the quote.

CAT CARE TRAVEL TIPS ARE HERE:
http://www.thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=22148.msg288185#msg288185 (http://www.thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=22148.msg288185#msg288185)
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: Stormchaser on July 15, 2009, 08:56:41 PM
Now if only you don't wake up and still find yourself in Conanland!

 :D
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: jubal on July 15, 2009, 09:50:53 PM


    Well.........The women here don't want men to grow tits like most feminists do.
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: rhodges on July 15, 2009, 10:11:16 PM
Quote from: Michigan Escapee on July 15, 2009, 09:16:04 PM
Well, now that you are the local california expat you could always try to freak out the locals.
...
Make sure to nag at least one grocer about an organic produce item they don't stock and have
never heard of,
...
And of course you have to make a few horrible attempts to fit in.

What the hell are you talking about?!  Why are you suggesting that a newcomer deliberately act like a dick?!

Michael and Jean have repetitively indicated that they will fit in fine.  In countless ways.  Why the HELL! are you suggesting otherwise?!

I strongly suggest that you IMMEDIATELY apologize for your unacceptable and obnoxious insinuations. 
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: MichaelNotMike on July 15, 2009, 10:14:44 PM
Quote from: Michigan Escapee on July 15, 2009, 09:16:04 PM
Make sure to nag at least one grocer about an organic produce item they don't stock and have
never heard of, tell a very offcolor mormon joke in front of mixed company, and complain
about the fact that there are no good armenian places to eat anywhere.  ;D

That's hi-larious!

Quote from: Michigan Escapee on July 15, 2009, 09:16:04 PM
Then of course you'll no doubt be invited/dragged kicking and screaming to any number of church
related pot lucks. Make sure to bring something that just screams that you've been in california
too long.

Or say something that just screams that I've been in California too long. Like "Thank you, but I'll pass. I don't need church. God is in my heart and I carry my church with me."
?

Quote from: Michigan Escapee on July 15, 2009, 09:16:04 PM

Finally, the cowboy hats. Resist the temptation for at least two months until you know the difference
between the outdoor wear variety, and the square dance variety.   ::)


Wife lived in Texas. She can dress me.  :D

MWD
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: MichaelNotMike on July 15, 2009, 10:21:00 PM
Debra Jean loves wearing her Appleseed shirt to WalMart. And we have been there at least once a day for a week while gettin' the new house into shape.

She's been in a WalMart before, but never done a cartfull of shopping at one. She's a little blown away at how cheap and good stuff is. We love WalMart. Never thought I'd say that.

Anyone who thinks the economy is not doing well has not been at either of the two (!) WalMarts in Casper. They're both hopping, 24/7.

MWD

"Sure, WalMart is destroying main street America, but nine dollars for a refrigerator!"
--Jon Stewart.
(I used to like that guy, until I got into guns. He don't really dig 'em.)
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: MichaelNotMike on July 16, 2009, 11:03:20 AM
Quote from: springtime06 on July 12, 2009, 03:58:18 PM

give me a head up on the climate now and then as the days unfold. Does Casper feel very big at 50,000 pop or do you feel like you are in a community in your area?
springtime06

It feels small. But big enough to have stores and such that we like. I only have my preliminary report, only been here a week, but feels like a community more than most places I've lived. (Though me and the wife are a "nation of two", and don't have a huge social calender, by choice, but it's nice to know our neighbors' names, and be chatty with them.)

I grew up in a town of 3000 in Upstate New York. It was America.

Later lived in Washington DC, Arlington Virginia, Charlottesville Virginia, San Francisco, Los Angeles, and Agoura Hills, CA. (where we were before we moved to Casper.)

DC, San Fran and Los Angeles are huge and leftist. Arlington is pretty, and has a small-town feel in places, but it's a statist bedroom community for the CIA and the Pentagon. Charlottesville should feel like America, it was the home of Thomas Jefferson, but the UVA college influence makes it liberal. Agoura Hills, CA has "only" 18,000 people, but it's in the shadow of Los Angeles, and even though it has coyotes and rattlesnakes and bunnies, it feels like Los Angeles politically. Obama bumper stickers everywhere, and neighbors who gave us dirty looks when we loaded our long guns into the car.

My dad tells me that our little town in Upstate New York is falling under the political spell of the New York State legislature now, and feels less and less like America.

So it's good to finally be home, in Wyoming, in America.

MWD
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: springtime10 on July 18, 2009, 12:40:05 PM
My gosh, Michael and Debra, you are blowing me away. Wyoming sounds so wonderful I don't know if I'll even notice the weather when I get there!
springtime06
Hey, Mama Liberty, if you are on here, you are right Las Vegas is too hot for an aging body just like Park City is too cold....it's 112 during the day and I have to walk early morning to get more than 30 minutes in. Guess my love for HEAT is no more, that kind of heat, anyway. When I first go out in the a.m. though it feels lovely to be warm through and through!
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: MichaelNotMike on July 18, 2009, 12:49:13 PM
Quote from: springtime06 on July 18, 2009, 12:40:05 PM
My gosh, Michael and Debra, you are blowing me away. Wyoming sounds so wonderful I don't know if I'll even notice the weather when I get there!

We love it! Everything seems new, mellow, and beautiful.

We’re gardening today. Didn’t have a place to do that in Kalifornia, and if we did it in the front yard, the HOA would have dug the flowers up for not getting written permission ON A HOUSE WE OWN! (they did that to our neighbors!)

We pulled up stakes and moved pretty quick. We have been looking for a place to move for a few years, considered many states, but got on this board November 20, 2008, and moved to Wyoming less than eight months later.

I don't think I've talked much about the fact that it was a bit of a hardship and sacrifice to move, especially to do so quickly. We've been so jazzed about the whole thing that I kind of forgot to mention it. And I'm not mentioning it in a "Oh, whoa is me, feel sorry for me way", but in a celebratory way, to inspire, to say, JUST DO IT.

We left a few very good friends, a very very good job of 15 years with great pay and great benefits, moved away from family, comfortable routine, a home we own, to come here and rent and look for a job (that search will start next week).

And we don't regret any of this for a moment. I'm just saying "freedom ain't free", but it's still totally worth it.

MEW!
 ~W~  :D
MWD
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: MamaLiberty on July 18, 2009, 04:45:56 PM
Mama's so proud of you folks she could just about bust... :) Wyoming will be good for you, and you will be good for Wyoming.
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: MichaelNotMike on July 18, 2009, 04:52:10 PM
Thank you. That means a lot to me.


MWD
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: Stormchaser on July 19, 2009, 09:53:06 PM
Michael I have been enjoying your many posts, and I have been watching your progress for a long time (about 2 weeks since I've joined here, lol). Ok, seems like a long time. I hope you continue to post your reactions - about Wyoming, and about Casper if you stay there. I've read advice on this board that it might be good to locate temporarily in some central city/location and scope out where you might finally like to end up, and checking out the state map it seems Casper, though many miles from the corners, is about the best location if we're talking centrally.

You are my guru, my mentor, my scout! Keep talkin'!  ~W~
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: MichaelNotMike on July 19, 2009, 10:13:43 PM
Thanks man. Glad I could help.  :) ~W~

But "guru" sounds like so much work and responsibility! How about just "I'm paying it forward for the folks who helped me. And one day you can do the same for the next batch on the wagon train of life to America in Wyoming."

MWD

(posted from Puppy Linux, but still trying to figure out the encrypted e-mail thing.)
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: MichaelNotMike on July 19, 2009, 10:17:45 PM
Quote from: Boston on July 13, 2009, 09:18:15 AM
DOING it, indeed!  Well done!
I look forward to dropping by sometime!
 ~W~
Boston

Sho nuff.
Give us a day's notice so we can make sure we're decent. lol....


MWD
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: MichaelNotMike on July 21, 2009, 05:35:46 PM
Update: we both registered to vote today. Yay!  ~W~

Registered Libertarian. Probably gets us on a list, but fug it.

Also saw an interesting bit of anarchy on the drive home: a beat-up funky little car driving with what looked like expired paper temp plates, and under the plate holder in foot-high letters, they'd painted "BLOW ME!"

Love it. And it wouldn't work in California. Wonder if it works here. The driver and his buddy seemed pretty happy, so maybe so.

MWD
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: MichaelNotMike on July 21, 2009, 06:11:37 PM
We got out just in time.

California is "balancing their budget" buy letting 27,000 prisoners out:
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-california-budget22-2009jul22,0,1856950.story?track=rss

I'm usually in favor of this, when it's only non-violent (like drug offenses), but there is no such stipulation:

"The plan would grant authority to state corrections officials to allow any inmate with 12 months or less left to serve to complete his or her sentence on home detention....

"....The plan includes a scaled-down version of Schwarzenegger's proposal to change some felonies to misdemeanors so inmates could go to county jails instead of prisons...."

Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: springtime10 on July 22, 2009, 06:39:50 AM
Well it's always the best time to move to Wyoming. But letting out prisoners in Ca or anywhere is a good thing when you consider this country takes the freedom away from more people per capita than ANY nation  including the most restrictive and dictatorial ones.  Maybe some of them kill more, that I don't know but the U.S. jails more.
springtime06
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: MichaelNotMike on July 22, 2009, 11:08:58 AM
I don't think murderers, rapists, home invaders, thiefs and people who scam people out of their money should be let out of prison early to save money.

Conversely, I think drug users who don't commit violence or crime should even be in prison.

It sounds from that article like California is not considering the crime at all, just letting everyone out early.

We'll see how it affects quality of life there. Probably not well.

MWD
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: springtime10 on July 22, 2009, 01:53:57 PM
We have to realize that the government hates us and wants what it wants. In the Ca case it wants higher taxes. So it will let out ON PURPOSE IMO people who will do damage so that the Gov & others can say "Well you wouldn't vote for the bond measures that would have raised taxes and kept these people in prison".....
Am I too cynical?
springtime06
However...everyone please say a prayer for me that my house gets sold in the next year so I can move!!!!!
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: Future/Now on July 23, 2009, 11:39:37 AM
Quote from: MichaelWDean on July 22, 2009, 11:08:58 AM
It sounds from that article like California is not considering the crime at all, just letting everyone out early.

We'll see how it affects quality of life there. Probably not well.

MWD

"Not well"? Are you kidding?? Why, what better way to help start a war! ::)

Wouldn't be the first time that's happened in the USA. Apparently to relieve overcrowded jails, King George III had a policy of flushing Britain's worst criminals to the colonies. In 1751, Ben Franklin (writing as "Americanus") wrote a satire peice for his local paper entitled "Transporting Rattlesnakes" where he outlined a snakes-for-crooks exchange program with the mother country. Great stuff...he may have been only half-joking. >:D Even then, it still took another 25 years until war actually did start....that's a long time to tolerate a nonstop wave of bloodthirsty, knife-wielding misanthropes at one's door, no?

And of course, the ever-increasing downside of America's own immigration "policy" beginning in 1965 and intensifying in recent years. Wonder how far off the next war is? 5, 10 years, maybe? The world moves at a much faster pace than it did then.

As for Kali? Dunno, maybe it's a prelude for the much-feared welfare check-stoppage. We shall see.....

In the meantime, keep the Casper stories coming! Sounds even more than ever like a place I'd want to live.
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: MichaelNotMike on July 23, 2009, 03:18:34 PM
Quote from: Future/Now on July 23, 2009, 11:39:37 AM

....In the meantime, keep the Casper stories coming! Sounds even more than ever like a place I'd want to live.

Nothing Casper-specific today, but some cool Wyoming stuff:

Bought a couple of 15rd mags for my S&W 9mm. Nice. And it feels more balanced in my hand now with the weight of the extra five bullets in the grip. It was made for 15 rd, but California had crippled me to ten rounds.

Also ordered a bunch of .308 ammo delivered to home, via UPS. The UPS guy hates me now (it was heavy), but it felt very freeing, because ordering ammo to your home is not possible in California.

MWD
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: Big Ugly on July 23, 2009, 04:56:32 PM
O.K. Michael,
What you need to do is get in good with your driver!
Be there when he delivers - offer soda/coffee/whatever.
Engage in conversation, find out of he's a gun nut - if so, invite to go shooting and burn some of the ammo he packed in for you.
My drivers (UPS/FedEx) will bring the ammo into the house for me and if I'm not here, will use the back gate key I gave him and he'll put it by the back door - nice and secure.
Remember - suck up with the best and they will return the favour.
Oh, you could leave some cookies by the door with a Thanks note attached if you're not there when he delivers.
Every little bit helps.
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: MichaelNotMike on July 23, 2009, 06:00:28 PM
Cookies and soda. Sounds good!

Thank you,
MWD
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: manfromnevada on July 23, 2009, 07:37:38 PM
MWD said,
but it felt very freeing, because ordering ammo to your home is not possible in California.

Not true! Just certain counties, certain cities, and perhaps certain kinds.
Most ammo web sites tell you where it's restricted, like Sacramento, and perhaps LA County.

And then again there's the restrictions on mags, knives, night vision scopes, and a whole lot of scary things they don't want you to have. Welcome to Wyoming Michael!

Mac
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: MichaelNotMike on July 23, 2009, 09:34:06 PM
You need permission from the government to fart in Los Angeles county. I know, I got the permission.

You have to go to
http://www.us.ca.gov/forms/nanny/2009/Permission_to_fart.pdf

download the form, fill it out, then go to
455 Golden Gate Ave.
Room 222
Los Angeles, CA 90029

And take the test. It only takes about an hour if you go on Tue-Thur, and the test is simple if you study the website.

It's only 36 dollars, and the permission is good for two years. Then you can renew again without taking the test, you only have to send in the fee. How cool is that!

MWD
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: Big Ugly on July 23, 2009, 09:55:57 PM
O.K. Michael!
The link don't work!!!!!
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: MichaelNotMike on July 23, 2009, 10:15:07 PM
I made it up.
 :D

It just sounds like something that COULD be true, doesn't it?

MWD
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: MichaelNotMike on July 23, 2009, 10:17:18 PM
California's just that dumb that you could need a license to fart.

Here's a great headline in Today's LA Times, the wording of the headline sums up what's wrong with California (and many places in America):

Budget's a mess, but it's our mess:
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-cap23-2009jul23,0,7754894.column
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: Big Ugly on July 24, 2009, 07:52:57 AM
Half jokingly, I did try the link!

After all, I lived out there for the first 21 years of my life - watched it go to shit - don't want to go back (except maybe to see my little brother once more before I die, since he won't get off his butt and come out here).

Figured, maybe - just maybe - they would have started regulating the output of methane and carbon dioxide. Surely, you could obtain a permit to produce excess amounts of said DEADLY GREENHOUSE GASSES - or, on the other hand - get a tax-break of you used 'bean-o' and didn't produce as much as the average sheeple.

I mean, My God!, we're talking about Gov. Arny with his great big knife, autographed state vehicles for auction, and 27,000 criminals to be released in retaliation for not approving the budget. Who knows what they are capable of!

Michael, maybe we should collaberate on this and come up with a 'permit' that, for a 'small and nominal fee', you (generic) could be granted a dispensation to pass as much gas as the average politician in Kaliphornia - and for a measly, little 10% more, you could pass as much volitile gas as the governor himself - and only an additional 50% to pass as much as Pelosi.
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: MANUMIT on July 24, 2009, 08:02:58 AM
Now that may be an up & coming market...

You've heard of carbon credits,
now get the latest way to save Mother Planet!!

METHANE MARKERS

Now you can flatulate to your heart's content and feel NO guilt!!

Tofu burgers got you clinching? 
METHANE MARKERS will allow you to squeak without twinging.

The veggie menu causing you to pass far too often?
METHANE MARKERS will absolve you of your sin.

For the low, low price of $29.00 per month...
you can kick it without a ticket!!


MANUMIT

P.S.  Wouldn't you know it...that was my 666th post  >:D >:D
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: MANUMIT on July 24, 2009, 08:15:21 AM
By golly...there is a market  ;D

Quick Google....Results 1 - 10 of about 356,000 for "flatulence offset." (0.76 seconds)

An article from National Geographic in '07... full link here (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/03/070306-warming-credits.html)

New Weapon Against Warming:
"Flatulence Cards" Offset Dog, Human Emissions
Sean Markey
for National Geographic News
March 6, 2007

While global warming is nothing to laugh at, an Australian company is providing some comic relief, selling carbon credits for flatulent pets and people.

So-called carbon emissions, such as carbon dioxide and methane, are greenhouse gases that are thought to be key factors in climate change. These emissions can be offset by purchasing carbon credits, which may be used to fund environmental programs.

For 35 Australian dollars (about 27 U.S. dollars), customers of Sydney-based Easy Being Green can offset a year's worth of carbon emissions linked to their dogs, from trips to the vet to, yes, breaking wind.

Making your cat carbon neutral for a year costs U.S.$6, while U.S.$16 offsets two years of flatulence from that special someone.

The company says it offsets the climate-warming effects of emissions from cars, planes, humans, and pets by installing energy-saving fluorescent light bulbs and water-saving shower heads in houses in New South Wales, Australia (see map of Australia.)

***END EXCERPT***

Hmmmm...
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: MichaelNotMike on July 24, 2009, 09:43:10 AM
Quote from: Big Ugly on July 24, 2009, 07:52:57 AM
....I mean, My God!, we're talking about Gov. Arny with his great big knife, ....

I wish he'd never quit his day job. He was much better as the Terminator than the Govinator.

But who knows, if he succeeds in collapsing California, maybe he'll be remembered as the great Anarchist Liberator!

It's not really his fault, Kaliphornia has been collapsing itself since the 50s. It is a "failed social experiment." You gotta give Kaliphornia kudos for trying to create a socialist utopia, it's kinda cute in a way....It's almost like wide-eyed children trying to govern. But it just hasn't worked, and they should graciously step aside and let the grown ups have a try.

Here's all you need to balance a budget of any state our country, without even eliminating "government" (because that's hard to do):

FIVE-POINT PLAN FOR "FIXING" ANY STATE OR NATION
1. Eliminate welfare, of all kinds.
2. legalize all drugs.
3. universal right-to-carry (even if you have to do it via permits like Florida and Texas)
4. universal castle doctrine.
5. Public hangings for political corruption.

Those five changes would eliminate deficits, gangs, most crime, illegal immigration, and people sitting on their ass doing nothing.

MWD

=====
Here's Kaliphornai's latest "attempt" to "make it all work out", charging solo drivers $1.40 a mile to use car pool lanes:
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-mta24-2009jul24,0,7024812.story

DJ and I drove across Casper during rush hour yesterday, one side to the other, took about 15 minutes.
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: MamaLiberty on July 24, 2009, 10:24:55 AM
Only one problem with your plan, Michael. You'd have to eliminate government to implement it! LOL  They are mutually exclusive.
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: MichaelNotMike on July 24, 2009, 10:28:26 AM
Well, as Molon Labe points out, it took a while to get that far into the woods, it may take a while to get back out.
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: MamaLiberty on July 24, 2009, 11:42:30 AM
That would be nice, but I don't think so. I think we'd all like to see a gradual change from tyranny to freedom, but I suspect it is not humanly possible. I can't recall a single incident in history that would support such a hope.

Since government and liberty are mutually exclusive, they can't both occupy the same space.  And I don't ever expect enough people to be willing to exchange one for the other as long as most of them directly benefit from the theft and coercion. Which leaves mostly the grave potential for violence once the gravy train derails. California is a good test market for that concept.

We shall see.
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: springtime10 on July 24, 2009, 12:33:24 PM
Michael I love your 5 point plan. See it doesn't take 1200 pages to write decent legislation: just a paragraph and mwd did it.
springtime06
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: MichaelNotMike on July 24, 2009, 02:28:05 PM
I'm all about doing things efficiently.  :D
----

So, we got our Wyoming licenses today. Yay!
Here we are with them, also holding our new non-California mags (50-rd .22 rifle, and 15-rd 9mm sidearm mag.)

(http://www.debrajeandean.com/temp/LicenseClips.jpg)

(personal info on licenses blurred out.)
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: jubal on July 24, 2009, 02:38:58 PM


   Government and criminality is analogous. No difference whatsoever.
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: manfromnevada on July 24, 2009, 07:54:05 PM
Didn't I see those two photos on the Post Office wall under "WANTED"?
Some kind of right-wing extremist/terrorists?
Clinging to their guns and religion?

I think I'll get my Photo Shop de-blurring software out and see if I can find their address.
Expect a visit from your local JBTs shortly!

Mac
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: MichaelNotMike on July 24, 2009, 09:23:08 PM
Quote from: manfromnevada on July 24, 2009, 07:54:05 PM
Didn't I see those two photos on the Post Office wall under "WANTED"?
Some kind of right-wing extremist/terrorists?
Clinging to their guns and religion?

I think I'll get my Photo Shop de-blurring software out and see if I can find their address.
Expect a visit from your local JBTs shortly!

Mac

I thought about the de-blurring, but I took the info OUT, then covered with black, then used paintbrush to fix. There's no info to recover!

As for the JBTz, I doubt they're interested in me, I'm just a horse fly in a nation of angry wolverines. But I think my NRA, GOA, JPFO and WGO memberships, and ammo purchases, etc, as well as registering to vote libertarian, my amazon order list (five BTP books, among other things), my google searches, and now using encrypted e-mail, and using my real name to constantly complain on the internet probably already have me on the long list already, given the current profiling. (Which is also racial and religious, I'm white and went to a protestant school, I think that's all considered "iffy" in this administration's watch list.)

I'm not motivated enough to end up on the short list. And I don't think it's "yet time."
And if they are tapping my phone, they're probably bored. I'm not what they're looking for, and I'm not even that interesting.

MWD
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: MichaelNotMike on July 24, 2009, 09:25:05 PM
WE SAW DEER! WE SAW DEER!

Took a walk tonight, saw two male deer in a field two blocks from our house!!!! Yay! In the city!
We got about 20 feet away. I was saying "wish I had a camera", DJ reminded me that my cell phone has one, but they were about 100 feet away when I took it, and you can't see it, even blown up.

But really made our day, and really made us even gladder we moved here!  ~W~

 ;D ;D
MWD and DJD
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: Paul Bonneau on July 24, 2009, 09:49:39 PM
Quote
Took a walk tonight, saw two male deer in a field two blocks from our house!!!! Yay! In the city!

This is a big deal?

When you see a mountain lion or a buffalo in town, then you'll have something.

The only question with that deer is, how do you get him into your freezer?  :)
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: MichaelNotMike on July 24, 2009, 09:55:24 PM
Well, only had a .357 on me, that's not an ethical deer gun, is it?
(Or maybe it is, at 20 feet!)

MWD
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: MamaLiberty on July 25, 2009, 04:57:16 AM
Yes, the .357 would kill a deer at close range - say, if it attacked you. But you really don't want that to happen. :) You might not have TIME to draw and fire!

An attack is NOT out of the question if you get too close. Unfortunately, many of the deer are fed by humans and lose much of their natural fear of humans, but they remain wild animals and they can really, really hurt you fast if they suddenly feel threatened. Their hooves are sharp and will shred you like a knife. 

So watch them from a distance and enjoy the sight while you can. If you ever have gardens or such that you'd rather make use of your self, you'll soon learn why a lot of folks in Wyoming call them damndeer.
 
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: Big Ugly on July 25, 2009, 08:25:29 AM
Passable deer gun in a lever action, long barrel.
OAL = 1.59
Case = 1.29
Bullet = 158gr JHP
Velocity = 1600fps
Energy (muzzle) = 898ftlb
Energy (150yd) = 508ftlb

Enough energy at 150 yards to be effective, but Wyoming not only has a minimum energy requirement, but also has a minimum OAL,

Wyoming Game and Fish Commission, Chapter 32, Regulation Governing Firearm Cartridges;

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Section 4. Firearms and cartridges that are legal for the taking of big or trophy game animals.
(a) Wyoming statutes authorize the use of a firearm which has a barrel bore diameter of at least twenty-three-hundredths (23/100) of an inch and is chambered to fire a center-fire cartridge not less than two (2) inches in overall length, including a soft or expanding point bullet seated to a normal depth, or a muzzle-loading rifle which has a barrel bore diameter of at least forty-hundredths (40/100) of an inch and a charge of at least fifty (50) grains of black powder or equivalent, or a muzzle-loading specialty single shot handgun which has a barrel length of not less than ten (10) inches, a bore diameter of at least forty-five-hundredths (45/100) of an inch and which propels a projectile of two hundred forty (240) grains at not less than five hundred (500) foot pounds at one hundred (100) yards.
(b) In addition, the Commission authorizes any other cartridge fired from a firearm that has a barrel bore diameter of at least thirty-five hundredths (35/100) of an inch and the cartridge generally delivers at least five hundred (500) ft-pounds of impact at one hundred (100) yards and cartridges used are loaded with a soft, or expanding point bullet.

Even though the .357 & 45colt can be loaded to meet the minimum energy requirement, they both fail under the minimum OAL requirement
Of course, if one of the blood-thirsty things attacks you, you really don't have any choice now do you???
As regards, getting close to nature? They are wild animals and if they don't get what they want (food, salt, etc.) they will fight for it. Many people have been killed, or injured by "pet" deer.
You what they say ..... take lots of pictures, leave nothing but entrails.
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: MamaLiberty on July 25, 2009, 08:40:59 AM
Ok, but I shot a lot of deer with my old 30-30 and never knew any of that stuff.  >:D  I just knew they went down and I got to take the good stuff home. :)
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: Big Ugly on July 25, 2009, 08:51:31 AM
Sorry if I was not clear about the response being just for the .357 mag in a rifle (lever action).

.30-30 is a whole different animal, lighter bullet, much higher velocity, > 1Ton of energy at the muzzle.
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: MamaLiberty on July 25, 2009, 09:49:44 AM
Oh, I understand THAT, BU... :)  I know the 30-30 is one hell of a good deer gun. But I also know a lot of meat is harvested with much smaller and poorer rounds than that. The distance and the shot placement are the important things, in my opinion, of course.

Just saying that few of us understand all those numbers and such. I have no idea what OAL is, for instance. Might want to define things like that to edify folks like me. :)
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: MichaelNotMike on July 25, 2009, 11:32:27 AM
Quote from: Big Ugly on July 25, 2009, 08:51:31 AM
Sorry if I was not clear about the response being just for the .357 mag in a rifle (lever action).


Mine's a snubbie pocket revolver with a two-inch barrel.

MWD
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: MichaelNotMike on July 25, 2009, 11:36:08 AM
Quote from: Big Ugly on July 25, 2009, 08:25:29 AM

Of course, if one of the blood-thirsty things attacks you, you really don't have any choice now do you???

I'm reminded of South Park,....on that cartoon, didn't the town invoke a hunting ban, so whenever Ned and Jimbo go hunting, they always yell "IT'S COMIN' RIGHT AT YOU, NED!" and claim self-defense when they shoot something? lol....

But seriously, yeah, these deer were close enough they coulda gored us in as much time as it would have taken to draw, even though I had my hand on the gun in my pocket. I was a little nervous, DJ wasn't. they did look pretty damn tame, especially standing in front of an apartment complex while some guy was talking on his cell phone and his kid was playing nearby.

MWD
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: MamaLiberty on July 25, 2009, 11:52:49 AM
That's why they are dangerous, Michael. They "look" tame, but they are not. They are unpredictable wild animals in an unnatural environment. Distance is your friend, as from any threat. :)
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: MichaelNotMike on July 25, 2009, 11:55:50 AM
Yes. The could kick us. Or Al Gore us.

MWD
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: Stormchaser on July 25, 2009, 11:19:26 PM
Why are you guys giving 'Arnie' such a rough time? He's doing the job Skynet sent him to do, isn't he?
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: MichaelNotMike on July 25, 2009, 11:33:08 PM
Quote from: Stormchaser on July 25, 2009, 11:19:26 PM
Why are you guys giving 'Arnie' such a rough time? He's doing the job Skynet sent him to do, isn't he?

No, that was Reagan with Star Wars. Which didn't work.

But regardless, someone who was there back when needs to tell Arnie, actor turned governor, "I knew Ronald Reagan, I worked with Ronald Reagan, and you sir, are no Ronald Reagan."
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: Chris on July 27, 2009, 02:34:09 PM
Quote from: Paul Bonneau on July 24, 2009, 09:49:39 PM
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Took a walk tonight, saw two male deer in a field two blocks from our house!!!! Yay! In the city!

This is a big deal?

When you see a mountain lion or a buffalo in town, then you'll have something.

The only question with that deer is, how do you get him into your freezer?  :)

When Lynda & I were in Sheridan last December, we got to visit with The Count, and saw a buffalo in the city park. Does that count?


Chris
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: Stormchaser on July 27, 2009, 04:04:19 PM
Quote from: MichaelWDean on July 25, 2009, 11:33:08 PM
Quote from: Stormchaser on July 25, 2009, 11:19:26 PM
Why are you guys giving 'Arnie' such a rough time? He's doing the job Skynet sent him to do, isn't he?

No, that was Reagan with Star Wars. Which didn't work.

But regardless, someone who was there back when needs to tell Arnie, actor turned governor, "I knew Ronald Reagan, I worked with Ronald Reagan, and you sir, are no Ronald Reagan."

You DID catch my 'Skynet' reference, did you not, Michael?
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: MichaelNotMike on July 27, 2009, 04:06:57 PM
Quote from: Stormchaser on July 27, 2009, 04:04:19 PM
Quote from: MichaelWDean on July 25, 2009, 11:33:08 PM
Quote from: Stormchaser on July 25, 2009, 11:19:26 PM
Why are you guys giving 'Arnie' such a rough time? He's doing the job Skynet sent him to do, isn't he?

No, that was Reagan with Star Wars. Which didn't work.

But regardless, someone who was there back when needs to tell Arnie, actor turned governor, "I knew Ronald Reagan, I worked with Ronald Reagan, and you sir, are no Ronald Reagan."

You DID catch my 'Skynet' reference, did you not, Michael?

Yup. I was riffin' on it.

MWD
Title: Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
Post by: elk on July 27, 2009, 05:19:12 PM
To which the "goobernator" will say something witty like "talk to da hand!"