Im not beating around the bush

[celeste]

I need to know if the community up there really believes in freedom.

To remove the state from our lives we either have to give it control or not.

That requires some drastic, or as my aunt says, some "radical" beliefs.

In a world of black and white - which may or may not be our world - you either let the state control or you dont.

The problem of children - if you do not belive in state control, then the parent has the right to do whatever they want with the child.

I advocate for this for many reasons - including evolution; but I'd like to know the community stance up there before buying land.

[Boston]

Anybody considering Wyoming should visit the place first, naturally.
You know your own parameters, so see if your potential community shares them.
Nobody can answer that but you, and by being on local ground.

Boston

[rhodges]

The problem of children - if you do not belive in state control, then the parent has the right to do whatever they want with the child.

I disagree.  A child has natural rights, and a parent has natural rights.  The existence or nonexistence of the "state" does not transfer rights from the child to parent or vice versa.

[PatriotAR15]

I dont believe in state control of people... but I also think that child abusers should be punished. Afterall, just because I dont believe in a watchfull police-state, doesnt mean I advocate people murdering and assaulting one another...just government should stay out, unless there is a violation of someone's rights or human dignity.

I heard there was this one woman who kept her baby in a cage for months on end... I would love to see the situation reversed and have her put in a cage.

The problem with the State, is that they tend to stretch the meaning of "abuse",....
Its a shame that a parent can have their kids taken away for raising their kids into the Christian faith...but meanwhile some parents practically get away with murder 

[celeste]

Hmm.  Obviously not the type of answer I was looking for.  I already live in WYoming - I live in Casper and of course the state owns our children here.  I mean you can keep custody of your children as long as you follow the states rules, but I am not the ultimate authority when it comes to raising my children.  It starts in the hospital where they make you sign a waiver saying that they will perform whatever treatment is necessary and they find it "necessary" to inject my child with a vaccine for a disease she couldn't possibly have that also has mercury and aluminum hydroxide.  My fear in the current place we live is that in a very short time it will be a law "to protect the children" that I be forced to inject my child with these things.  Another issue I have is that I don't currently have the choice not to have my child educated to believe the the civil war was started over slavery.  I believe it is importnat to teach my child that states rights were of first importance in the civil war, but unfortunalty she will get the answers wrong if I teach her that, and if I am homeschooling I';d very like have that right taken because my child knows the truth and not what the state wants her to know.  In addition as was previously mentioned, I have to stay within the states limits for disipline.  I personally would never abuse my children, but if I let the state tell YOU how to perent then they can tell me.. ANd I personally beleive it is not the states place to tell me or YOU how to live your life. 

[MamaLiberty]

I don't think any of the homeschoolers in our group have these problems... I hope some of them read this and respond.

In the meantime, I suspect that living in the city is probably not the best place to exercise your rights these days... any city.

Wish I was more help... but I think there are plenty of ways to prevent these problems with your children if you look for them. I'd suggest posting some questions in the education board in this forum. That's were the homeschoolers are most apt to see them.

[celeste]

I completely agree with your living in the city is not a place to exercise freedom.  THat is why we are looking into crook or weston county.  What would be nice is if I could live in a community where there are other people who would like to see me be able to exercise my freedoms.  My father recently got reported to the casper police becasue I was breastfeeding my 4 month old baby while he was driving.  Fortunately, the Wyoming statute provides an out for "drivers assisting or aiding the child or his parents or guardians".  And of course the constitutional right to be confronted by your accusers we assume still stands and will ask for it in court.  But we are simply uncomfortable with people invading our privacy in such a way and calling the police.  It has left a bad taste in my mouth about this city.

[manfromnevada]

I agree that the parents "own" their children, not the state.
We can't always agree with with others do with, or to, their children, or even their pets. Sometimes we have to just bite our tongue (ouch).
It's not up to the nanny staters to tell good parents not to leave their kids in the car for 5 minutes when they run into the convenience store for food (or even beer!). It's not up to the state to determine what disipline you use on your kids. It's not up to the state to tell you what to feed them or how to clothe them or how to educate them.

The same goes with your pets and your property. It's YOURS, not theirs. No, it doesn't take a village to raise a child, it takes parents, good loving parents.

We're living in the age of the slippery slope, where we're already going over the edge. Slowly, the nanny state controls our children more than we do. What to do? Certainly the more rural areas have a leg up over the cities. Less intervention in everything. That's why I live in Crook County. They pretty much leave me alone here.

Mac

[Paul Bonneau]

This is one of those scenarios where the concept of "rights" makes me nervous. As in, "Children have rights, don't they? And shouldn't there be some entity that ensures they have them?"

I'm pretty doubtful there are such things as rights. If not, then the problem is solved.

Well, what about child abusers? How are they handled in an anarchist world?

I say, handle the problem yourself. That is the problem with "hiring" the state to fix things: every little thing will become a major event. Spank your child? Get a visit from CPS, and so forth. And the person who reported you endures no consequences.

In an anarchist world (just my opinion), it falls back on the person who would have been the accuser. That person must either get personally involved, or mind his own business and leave it alone. These facts obviously mean there will be far fewer interventions for trivial "abuses", while there is some path still to prevent larger abuses (e.g., "stop beating that kid or I'll kick your ass the same way").

Will some kids "fall through the cracks"? Sure. That's a given. Human beings are not capable of perfection. It is only a socialist fantasy that people can be perfected by a caring state. If you think the state is perfect, think of those 400 Mormon kids in Texas.

Parents own their kids. Period. If you don't think so, try taking mine from me, see where it gets you.

[vonu]

CPS is an equal opportunity abuser. They only care about grabbing kids they can have their way with and then turn over to the overlords at Bohemian Grove for sacrifice.
Every human owns themselves regardless or age or competence. Parents owe a duty to their children to protect and prepare them so they will be competent when their time comes.