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Joel Skousen Describes End-Game Scenarios
« on: May 28, 2012, 05:48:34 AM »

In this May 1st, 2012 interview Joel Skousen explores various end-game
scenarios for the US. FSP and Wyoming are mentioned 30 min. into the interview:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLrSmdzsIEM
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Re: Joel Skousen Describes End-Game Scenarios
« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2012, 05:13:16 PM »
Argh, another video, and a long one at that!

I can skim a transcript a lot faster than I can watch a video played at normal speed. On my internet connection, they sputter and pause for buffering more than they play, though! I don't have an hour to wait for the video to get to the 30 minute mark!

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Re: Joel Skousen Describes End-Game Scenarios
« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2012, 09:12:01 PM »
I liked this interview. I'll leave the last 10 minutes for those who are interested in watching, as Skousen made a very good point about calling attention to oneself. Also mentions the FSProject and the East coast not being a strategic relocation spot. When I have an hour and a half I'll probably look up Joel Skousen's Secrets of Survival video, as he made many solid points throughout this interview.

At the 24-25 minute mark he shares a prediction for a trigger of war concerning North and South Korea, including how "our troops are maintained there as cannon fodder" and how others will step in to "stop the bully of the world" once bloodshed has started.

About 28:30 Skousen says, "they want to make sure there is enough destruction in the US to drive the American people into complete dispair so that they throw down all their bearers and just say to the government, 'save us,'."

In my opinion, a 40 minute video worth watching. Thanks for sharing, Terence.

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Re: Joel Skousen Describes End-Game Scenarios
« Reply #3 on: September 05, 2012, 09:56:08 AM »
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Also mentions the FSProject and the East coast not being a strategic relocation spot.
Yep.
I tried to tell them that in 12/2003 right after their vote, but . . .

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Re: Joel Skousen Describes End-Game Scenarios
« Reply #4 on: September 05, 2012, 10:56:34 AM »
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Also mentions the FSProject and the East coast not being a strategic relocation spot.
Yep.
I tried to tell them that in 12/2003 right after their vote, but . . .


Well, they do have their international border and coastline...
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Re: Joel Skousen Describes End-Game Scenarios
« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2012, 11:51:19 AM »
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Also mentions the FSProject and the East coast not being a strategic relocation spot.
Yep.
I tried to tell them that in 12/2003 right after their vote, but . . .


Well, they do have their international border and coastline...


I've since purchased Joel's book, "Strategic Relocation" and he elaborates on his
conclusions about the Free State Movement in his notes on Wyoming:

"Wyoming came in second for the Free State Movement - an effort by libertarians to build
up enough like-minded people in a state to gain a majority and turn it into a haven of liberty.
New Hampshire won out but the movement failed there because it caused too much resentment
among existing residents.  We would have picked Wyoming."
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Re: Joel Skousen Describes End-Game Scenarios
« Reply #6 on: November 07, 2012, 10:13:33 AM »
Er, I think it's a bit too early to write off FSP yet...
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Re: Joel Skousen Describes End-Game Scenarios
« Reply #7 on: November 07, 2012, 10:23:22 AM »
Er, I think it's a bit too early to write off FSP yet...

Yeah, I think Joel's bias (Very well informed) against the highly populated
states in the NE creeped in on that statement.  On a brighter note, he does specify
emergency retreat areas in the Adirondacks in North Vermont and New York.

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Re: Joel Skousen Describes End-Game Scenarios
« Reply #8 on: November 08, 2012, 11:23:54 AM »
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Wyoming came in second for the Free State Movement - an effort by libertarians to build
up enough like-minded people in a state to gain a majority and turn it into a haven of liberty.
New Hampshire won out but the movement failed there because it caused too much resentment
among existing residents.  We would have picked Wyoming."
I agree with Joel.
While the FSP has many good people there with energy
and intelligence, there is only so much some 1,500 folks
can do in a state of 1,250,000. 

And, they'll find out soon enough what a countervailing
disadvantage being back East really is.  NH will probably be
subject to a different kind of relocation wave as liberal
hordes flee from NY and Mass.

Nonetheless, I do continue to wish the FSP well!

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Re: Joel Skousen Describes End-Game Scenarios
« Reply #9 on: November 13, 2012, 01:24:00 AM »
I find these end game what ifs fun but tiring. It's difficult to know what will happen if/when things go bad.
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Re: Joel Skousen Describes End-Game Scenarios
« Reply #10 on: November 13, 2012, 10:35:26 AM »
I find these end game what ifs fun but tiring. It's difficult to know what will happen if/when things go bad.

Sure, but parsing through them is the cost of avoidance.   There's only a few trusted
sources worth vetting, anyway.  Limiting it to those few brings it back to fun and makes it profitable.  :)


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Re: Joel Skousen Describes End-Game Scenarios
« Reply #11 on: November 13, 2012, 10:42:05 AM »
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Wyoming came in second for the Free State Movement - an effort by libertarians to build
up enough like-minded people in a state to gain a majority and turn it into a haven of liberty.
New Hampshire won out but the movement failed there because it caused too much resentment
among existing residents.  We would have picked Wyoming."

. . .
And, they'll find out soon enough what a countervailing
disadvantage being back East really is.  NH will probably be
subject to a different kind of relocation wave as liberal
hordes flee from NY and Mass.
. . .


Liberal hordes fleeing from the consequences of their own creation?

That makes NH a relocation option if you don't mind moving twice.

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Re: Joel Skousen Describes End-Game Scenarios
« Reply #12 on: November 13, 2012, 12:21:30 PM »
Yeah, even if FSP flops, the FSP people still exist. A goodly number of them would move west. Now the question is, do we want them?  :D

I still think they can make a go of it.
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Re: Joel Skousen Describes End-Game Scenarios
« Reply #13 on: November 13, 2012, 07:41:53 PM »
As a resident of Iowa, I sometimes wonder how bad things would need to be for the civil authority here to drop the bridges over the Mississippi River. Or for a less extreme option, close them to car & bus traffic.
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Re: Joel Skousen Describes End-Game Scenarios
« Reply #14 on: November 13, 2012, 08:49:14 PM »
As a resident of Iowa, I sometimes wonder how bad things would need to be for the civil authority here to drop the bridges over the Mississippi River. Or for a less extreme option, close them to car & bus traffic.

I think this is a very interesting and pertinent question. What if the city dwellers started getting hungry and decided to go raid the farmlands?

I think the government is well aware of the resources of the country. And they know that food and energy are vital, generally in the national sense and specifically to their own well being. So I have been thinking that in case of national emergency, the government will do everything it can to preserve the food and energy production.

Following this thought, I think that the government will actively prevent the city refugees/looters from interfering (and destroying) farmlands and energy producing areas. This then implies that the rural areas (with resources) will probably be protected so that they can continue to produce food and energy that the government craves.

I see a possibility that the cities will be turned into refugee camps with strong controls on movement and the rural areas will become colonies that will be pretty much left alone (and protected) as long as they keep producing for the system.
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