The Ratios Don't Change

[Potshot]

As I am given to understand, the goal of the FSW movement is to eventually have sufficient numbers to extert influence on Wyoming's political scene.

That sounds pretty reasonable... after all, with our low population level, it doesn't take a huge influx to change the political power base.

What seems to be ignored though, is the level of non-FSW immigration to Wyoming. If 50 FSW'ers a year move to Wyoming, but 500 Kalifornians or New Yawkers do the same thing... I don't see how there can be any real change made by the FSW movement.

Just a thought.

[MamaLiberty]

Just how many lefty-loony Californians or New Yorkers actually DO move to Wyoming in a year? I suspect not many.

Can't do anything about it anyway, so it's a moot point. We just have to do the best we can with what we have.

And some of us don't vote for anyone, ever... so there's that too. Those who think there is a political solution to our problems are most likely due for a big disappointment, far as I'm concerned.

But each one needs to do what they feel is right in the long run. You are not going to find any real consensus on any of this here, I suspect. ML

[Paul W. Allen]

  Fifty kindred souls is still better than none at all 

[MamaLiberty]

Fifty kindred souls is still better than none at all 

Yep, especially if they watch each other's back...

[Boston]

A fair generic question.

When I was researching states back in 1997, I noticed that Wyoming
was comparatively exempt from liberal immigration. 

Kalifornians go to Arizona, Oregon, and Colorado.

New Yawkers go to NH.   

FSWers may be temporarily outnumbered by incoming statists,
but not by much, and certainly not to the extent of the FSP.

Boston

[biathlon]

     Most of the socialists move to Albany or Park counties too, not Weston, Johnson, Crook or Campbell.

[bobcat]

And don't forget what would happen if ONLY a dominant volume of statists moved to Wyoming, with no votes to offset them.  Uggghhh.  Right down the toilie.

I can tell you for a fact that is what happened in Arizona.  What was once (60's) a very conservative (Barry Goldwater) state, morphed into what it is now.  Look at what they elected for governor   It gets more liberal there everyday.  It ain't the place I grew up with.  And some would point out that they still have Repulicrat Senators.  Kyl is somewhat conservative, but McKain is a RINO and loathed by the locals. 

Another difference is that in Arizona, the statists have their PRIMARY domicile in there.  While in Wyoming and to some degree the mountainous (Ski) areas of Colorado? (help me here Coloradans), wealthy statists only have a 2nd or vacation home.  Which means they CAN NOT vote (well, not legally anyway) from their vacation home properties, only can they wield influence with their $$.

[manfromnevada]

Regardless of who else moves here to Wyoming, I have already acheived much of what I hoped to, all within the 5 weeks of living here.
Friends who showed up on the very night of my arrival to help me unload my U-Haul.
Friends who have taken me out to dinner to celebrate my arrival.
Friends who have made valuable referrals regarding real estate, contractors, ISPs, cell phone companies, etc.
Friends who helped me find a place to live.
Friends who have invited me to stay in their home until I got settled.
Friends who have hung out with me on warm Sunday afternoons and enjoyed my friendship as much as I enjoyed theirs.
Friends who have truly appreciated the small favors I have done for them.
Friends who understand who I am, what my values are, and know me better in 5 weeks than people I have known for years.

As a result, I am overjoyed to invite these same friends to my home tomorrow, to share my food, my beverages, to meet my wife, and to enjoy our mutual support and friendship.

THIS is what I have already obtained from the FSW in the mere 5 weeks of being in Crook County. Any additional successes are pure gravy at this point. Get my point?

Mac

[MamaLiberty]

Mac, bless your heart. I can't tell you how glad I am to have you for a neighbor and friend. Or how glad I am that you are finally here and finding such happiness. Can't wait to see you all this afternoon! ML

[Boston]

Mac, thanks for such an uplifting post.
Glad you and Vicki are here!
I look forward to visiting with you soon.

Boston

[manfromnevada]

To risk hijacking this thread a bit, let me add to the story.
I had 9 adults (including Vicki & me) that are affiliated with the FSW over to my little 2 bdrm apt today for a pizza and beer fest. There were 5 children as well. The oldest 3 are home schooled and it certainly shows. They are also quite trained and responsible with guns.

The conversation was a varied as it might be at any gathering, but it certainly centered around liberty, freedom, rights, Wyoming, why people came to Wyoming, and what their every day lives are like. This is what I like about living here. This is what I like about the people who live here. This is what I have already accomplished regardless of anything else that may or may not happen. Success is mine after making my journey here less than 6 weeks ago.

Don't let the fear that this is not a topia keep you from joining those of us already here. We await you with open arms and friendship.

Mac

[MamaLiberty]

Thanks Mac and Vicki! I had a wonderful time, as always with my Wyoming family. It was wonderful to see all the children too, growing so fast!!!

And thanks for the baby trees! Got to plant them today and take advantage of the cool and damp weather we are suddenly graced with!!

Life just doesn't get any better than this. ML

[Gerri]

Mac and Vicki...

I am rejoicing that you have made your move to Wyoming and are spending time in such sweet fellowship with the FSW Family...and with so many dear children.

Looking forward to meeting both of you when I finalize my move. Your warm posts are such an encouragement.

Thanks so much...stay very Blessed,
Gerri    

[Beulahtrash]

Thanks Mac it was great to meet Vicki and to see all of the FSWers up around my neck of the woods. Back to the topic at hand I'm a local and I wouldn't say that I was converted by the FSW, but I did find after some research that they have the same ideals that I did, and I would much rather have people like that move here then socialists from the coasts. I think a lot of people that currently live here would agree if they could get past the zenophobia of "new comers" and the Sundance Times article that made "free staters" a dirty word. If the ideas of freedom and liberty can be expressed to the locals I'm sure many will join the band wagon and see that it is not change that is wanted but rather to keep the socialists from changing what is already one of the best places to live.

[Paul Bonneau]

Statism is a disease that infects almost every class of people. It is not just "liberals" and immigrants who cause a state to go down the toilet. Most of the folks in the legislature (the cause, if a specific one can be identified, for going down the toilet) are good old Wyoming boys and girls. And look at the government spending we got from "conservative" George Bush.

I keep saying this over and over like a broken record. Blaming someone else won't fix anything.

As to ratios, I am less concerned about such. I'd trade ten or twenty or fifty "voters for freedom" to get one motivated and talented advocate/example/proponent for freedom, someone who can make the case for it that the average Joe can understand. The problem here is not that the pro-statist message is doing battle with the pro-freedom message and winning; it is that the pro-statist message has no competition at all. Those who are pro-freedom almost by definition mind their own business and don't go out and try to "save the world from itself". But that won't hack it any more.