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Offline Big Ugly

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Re: FM Radio station in WY - Who wants to run one?
« Reply #30 on: January 02, 2008, 10:52:52 PM »
HiYa, P'ahin Nunihan,
Not an "Ex-Felon" (current status up for discussion), but would still be interested in helping out. Any idea of the effective range of a full-power FM station?
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Re: FM Radio station in WY - Who wants to run one?
« Reply #31 on: January 03, 2008, 08:48:35 AM »
Start up costs for equipment can be kept down to a dull roar.

You can start on a shoestring with a low power transmitter, and from there, the sky is the limit. The only limitations are what one wants to accomplish. Internet radio and news feed, music, live programs, call-ins and transmit power.

Here's a link for advice, equipment, etc:

http://www.themicroeffect.com/index.htm

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Re: FM Radio station in WY - Who wants to run one?
« Reply #32 on: January 03, 2008, 08:51:20 AM »
Start up costs for equipment can be kept down to a dull roar.

You can start on a shoestring with a low power transmitter, and from there, the sky is the limit. The only limitations are what one wants to accomplish. Internet radio and news feed, music, live programs, call-ins and transmit power.

Here's a link for advice, equipment, etc:

http://www.themicroeffect.com/index.htm

22) NOT Jim Zumbo 

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!

I wholeheartedly concur!!!!!
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Re: FM Radio station in WY - Who wants to run one?
« Reply #33 on: January 03, 2008, 08:55:52 AM »
oooops  :-[
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Offline P'ahin Nunihan

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Re: FM Radio station in WY - Who wants to run one?
« Reply #34 on: January 03, 2008, 03:05:22 PM »
Hey Big Ugly,

Range of course depends on more than just power, particularly with FM as it is mostly line-of-sight.  Antenna height is real important.  FM stations are usually much less power than the big AM stations which can blast out 50K watts.  A couple of thousand watts FM with the right antenna will get you 50 miles or more particularly outside big metro areas where there is less interference.

The biggest hurdle we've discovered is, not surprisingly, the government.  The FCC is not inclined to license any more for-profit radio stations, and the rules for non-profit broadcast radio are very restrictive.  Commenting on idahobob's post, the costs for a micro-transmitter are very inexpensive, but again FCC restrictions on both power output and antenna height mean that your effective broadcast range will be maybe a mile at best.  Not very helpful to reach an audience in Wyoming unless your programming is muley love songs.  To put together a FCC licensed radio station (keep in mind that all your plans and equipment need to be approved by the FCC) will be upwards of $100K for a modest setup.

Which is why the discussion seems to have moved toward a radio program.  Much less investment involved and plenty of radio stations looking for good programming.  More time and probably less profit potential, but still an interesting idea.


HiYa, P'ahin Nunihan,
Not an "Ex-Felon" (current status up for discussion), but would still be interested in helping out. Any idea of the effective range of a full-power FM station?
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Re: FM Radio station in WY - Who wants to run one?
« Reply #35 on: January 04, 2008, 04:18:13 AM »
Seems to me the natural evolution of this idea is to get a program put together and shop it to Billings, Casper, Rapid City market radio stations.  If that is successful, either buy or propose a radio station.  That is a pretty big leap to go from a show or two to a station.  The local radio stations (AM or FM) here are always struggling to keep above water and we have about 50K+ audience potential.

If a station happens in say, Crook or Weston, it will have to be a labor of love, as getting enough advertising to sustain a station will be the tough nut to crack.  Not intending to be discouraging here, just realistic in that the market area is quite small.  It will likely take several small advertisers which is a lot more work than having a few big advertisers.

OTOH, if the existing? stations are doing a poor job, there could be some real opportunity to carve some airtime out...  or just buy the station.
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Re: FM Radio station in WY - Who wants to run one?
« Reply #36 on: January 04, 2008, 06:21:05 AM »
Those who wish to do something with this idea need to get together and plan. Realistic goals, "counting the cost," and a plan to make contacts, etc. are essential. Who will write the program? Produce it? Sell it to stations? Promote it, and how? Real people need to assume real responsibilities in real time to make this happen. Corporation? Limited partnership? Individuals without legal boundaries? What sort of organization can best reach those goals, with what money, and who doing what?

Are we ready to discuss the nitty gritty?
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Re: FM Radio station in WY - Who wants to run one?
« Reply #37 on: June 16, 2008, 12:41:58 PM »
I think this is a great idea.
Might be able to get some money from the Gates'.
I think Wyoming folks would listen to all sorts of music. Cowboy poetry is usually a hit.  Hunting and fishing stories might be fun.
Anything libertarian too ! Open carry stories, survival, homeschooling report, etc.
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Re: FM Radio station in WY - Who wants to run one?
« Reply #38 on: June 16, 2008, 12:54:24 PM »
Before I became a truck driver in the 90's, I was a broadcast engineer in the 80's.
The nature of small town radio requires that the chief engineer either find things to do or spend one's time hiding from the problems that management and ownership won't spend the money to fix, even though they promised they would when they hired you.
So, I've done everything in commercial radio except sell commercials, and cover sports, which I consider a total waste of time, money and effort, and know almost nothing about.
I still have my General Radiotelephone License because it is for life now, but it is useless in broadcasting now that the station licensee is responsible for technical compliance, as it should be.
There is a section of the FCC rules called part 15 which has just enough wiggle room to allow for a network of totally unlicensed but legal FM radio stations, which could be feed via the Internet and, if built properly, wouldn't require any regular  maintenance attention or expense.
I floated this trial balloon in 1987 and it was promptly ignored to death.
Anyone interested in floating it again?

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Re: FM Radio station in WY - Who wants to run one?
« Reply #39 on: June 16, 2008, 07:41:07 PM »
One of my favorite places for guerilla radio equipment:

http://www.freeradio.org/index.php?pagename=store/broadcastemporium.html


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Re: FM Radio station in WY - Who wants to run one?
« Reply #40 on: December 18, 2008, 10:14:08 PM »
Hi Guys, names Andrew.  I am strongly considering relocating to WY.  I have over 4 years experience hosting trivia contests in Massachusetts and am very liberty oriented.  I have been told on many occasions that I have a strong deep resonating voice, I should be on radio.  I was thinking a good place to start might be a free podcast, a Free State Wyoming podcast that could be downloaded, start with a weekly program and if there is enough demand and sponsorship it could become a daily show.

Just a thought.  This is my first post on here.

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Re: FM Radio station in WY - Who wants to run one?
« Reply #41 on: December 19, 2008, 08:17:37 AM »
Welcome! You just never know what sort of work you'll find here. Come visit and talk to the radio folks here. We'd love to meet you too!
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Re: FM Radio station in WY - Who wants to run one?
« Reply #42 on: December 20, 2008, 09:24:59 AM »
Howdy GideonsBible, and welcome.
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Re: FM Radio station in WY - Who wants to run one?
« Reply #43 on: March 10, 2009, 03:56:17 PM »
I think Andrew has a good idea starting with a podcast. This is essentially how Free Talk Live, based in New Hampshire, got started. They still "broadcast" on the Internet (I like to listen to it while I'm drawing funnybooks) and also sell their show to something like 50 local radio stations.

This might also be of benefit as the Internet listening audiences tends to skew a bit younger than radio listeners, and I think it is a good idea generally to appeal to younger people.
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Re: FM Radio station in WY - Who wants to run one?
« Reply #44 on: March 10, 2009, 05:45:47 PM »
I have a good friend here in the Illinois Republik that has 2 radio stations....  Essentially the programing can run full auto.  All the music and programing is either on the harddrive or comes in in a feed either live or preprogramed.   Everything right down to announcing the time and Radio station ID announcement can be fully automated fromt he computer.  I am sure it takes special radio station software but it can be done with minimal labor and from anywhere in the country to some degree............

More than that I know not...

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