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Re: WHY THE GUN IS CIVILIZATION
« Reply #30 on: October 05, 2009, 05:05:40 PM »


   Gun control is a euphemism for people control by government pure and simple.
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Re: WHY THE GUN IS CIVILIZATION
« Reply #31 on: October 06, 2009, 04:30:11 AM »


   Gun control is a euphemism for people control by government pure and simple.

agreed

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Re: WHY THE GUN IS CIVILIZATION
« Reply #32 on: January 04, 2010, 04:43:03 PM »
Thanks for this thread, Boston.  Many good thoughts here.

I've been thinking about this issue in connection with the Fort Hood massacre.  I doubt Major Muslim-nut-bar would have opened fire on ARMED soldiers.  I expressed this opinion to a an ex-Navy SEAL and his response surprised and angered me.

He basically said that military recruits these days were a bunch of low-lifes and losers, and they couldn't be trusted with arms on their own base.  My response: 'Who do you think built this country, pal?'  Was it Europe's elite?  No way, it was a handful of religious malcontents, ne'er-do-wells, adventurers and explorers, all armed to the teeth.  The fat-cats of Europe stayed home sippin' Sherry until the rabble had built something worth stealing.  The first duty of any free citizen: have the means to defend life, liberty and property.. or, be prepared to bend over and grab yer ankles.

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Re: WHY THE GUN IS CIVILIZATION
« Reply #33 on: January 04, 2010, 08:34:31 PM »
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'Who do you think built this country, pal?'  Was it Europe's elite?  No way, it was a handful of religious malcontents, ne'er-do-wells, adventurers and explorers, all armed to the teeth.

I love it.  8)

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Re: WHY THE GUN IS CIVILIZATION
« Reply #34 on: January 05, 2010, 07:59:25 AM »
Amen, bristlehead - that was profound.

My ancestors came from Scotland after the Culloden disaster loss to the English, who then proceeded to disarm and kill them. In rag-tag groups, they came to America and became a good part of those armed malcontents who eventually seceded from England. Believe me, their descendants should all have a special horror of being disarmed. I know I do.
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Re: WHY THE GUN IS CIVILIZATION
« Reply #35 on: January 05, 2010, 08:39:15 PM »
Thanks for the kind words, sir and madam.

I have no Scottish blood running in my veins as far as I know.. I'm a hodge-podge of French-Canadian, German, English, Welsh and Irish ancestors.. a mutt descended from many NW european tribes.  I'll try to mute the english part of me when we communicate, mamaliberty.   :)  That is one of the great things about America; the warring white tribes of europe can come here, intermarry, and learn to get along.. maybe even like each other.   ;D

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Re: WHY THE GUN IS CIVILIZATION
« Reply #36 on: January 06, 2010, 06:38:57 AM »
The English did the same to the Welsh and Irish, so we are kin in that regard. :)  But I have no grudge against the English of today. They are no more to blame for what their ancestors did than we are for ours.

The important thing is to learn from the past and determine not to let it get repeated. Live and let live. Do to others what you want them to do to you. Sovereign individuality/personal responsibility, in peaceful voluntary cooperation and mutual defense. The ideal society. :)  ....wherever our ancestors came from.

We need to judge each other only on the basis of actions, integrity, cooperation... nothing else.
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Re: WHY THE GUN IS CIVILIZATION
« Reply #37 on: May 21, 2010, 09:07:39 PM »
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It removes force from the equation.

One reason why socialists the world over and throughout history have absolutely feared and despised private ownership of firearms.

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Then why do we still need the police?

To enforce the judgments, orders and decrees of lawfully-convened courts of law. 

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Re: WHY THE GUN IS CIVILIZATION
« Reply #38 on: May 22, 2010, 06:07:19 PM »


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Then why do we still need the police?

To enforce the judgments, orders and decrees of lawfully-convened courts of law. 

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Re: WHY THE GUN IS CIVILIZATION
« Reply #39 on: September 27, 2010, 02:05:16 PM »
AMEN to that Quote AMEN

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Re: WHY THE GUN IS CIVILIZATION
« Reply #40 on: April 10, 2011, 01:54:12 PM »
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4069761537893819675&p#

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Re: WHY THE GUN IS CIVILIZATION
« Reply #41 on: May 14, 2011, 09:23:48 PM »


Some folks have wondered aloud why many FSWers prefer to daily
wear their handguns.....


When I was nineteen years old- quite a few years back- the government of the United States gave me a wonderful machine, fifty-plus tons of armor and seven hundred and fifty horsepower, fitted with two machineguns with more than ten thousand rounds of ammunition between them, plus a 4-inch cannon with which I could hit a target the size of a watermelon at a half mile [10x telescopic sight and a 52-ton bipod] or one a little bigger than a car or van at over a mile and a half...and 63 rounds of ammo for that cannon. In addition, we had a couple of submachineguns as spares, and often a rifle and grenade launcher besides.

Nevertheless, it was also thought necessary that I also have a M1911A1 .45 automatic pistol, loaded, and with extra ammunition with it. That gave me no feeling of insecurity about the weapon that was simultaneously my protection, my fighting tool, mt transportation to or from a fight, and the very roof over my head. Even then I could understand that a craftsman or artist needs more than one tool in his toolbox, or there would be no need for toolboxes; we would only need but one tool to accomplish all tasks. And so I was given, and cared for, that additional two pound tool to have with me, even though I was a part of that fifty-ton device, along with three partners and friends, each of whom also carried his own pistol of the same type.

Now due to my relatively impoverished circumstances, I don't happen to have a tank immediately available for my daily personal use. And even if I did, their fuel consumption rate is somewhat high, and they're hard on the asphalt parking lot of the local shopping center, not to mention the bridges between here and there. Accordingly, I'll just carry the handgun, of the same type as that one with which both my government and I placed our reliance way back when I was a teenager, and I won't feel too bad about not having the near-immediate capability of hitting another vehicle with a seventeen-pound high explosive projectile when required. I learned, long ago, to get the job done whether it's the Big Tool, or the smaller one, or one of the intermediate ones, that's immediately at hand when it's time to tackle the work of the task at hand.

And if, just by chance, I should need that particular tool that does its job perhaps a bit less eficiently than the bigger one which was once as much a part of me as I was of it, that'll be okay: it too is a tool with which I'm very well-trained in the effective use. I can utilize it deliberately or reflexively, as required by the circumstances of the day.

Too,, so far as that goes and if it comes to that, I can call upon a few old friends and fellow crewmates, three in number, and we can just as easily and simply reassume our old roles with pretty much the same familiarity as putting on a well-worn pair of comfortable gloves. It would be sad, almost regrettable, if we should have to renew that old partnership again, but not for us; it would be a pity for those who caused the circumstances that required thev reactivation of our old roles. We were very, very good at what we did, and an Empire fell because of it; we might even manage that sort of success again. And long ago, nearly five decades ago, we gave our word, pledged our honor, that we would do just that, should our skills at arms and our mastery of our machinery be required to do our job.

So yep, the little two-pound tool that's my daily companion is indeed more than *just* a means for my personal protection, more than one tool in the toolbox for me. It's a reminder of why you really, really really, don't want to have me and those like me as your enemy. It's very much a symbol and reminder as well, and the power that stands behind it is mighty and awesome, almost beyond the comprehension of those innocents who've not seen the power and the glory and the fury all set loose at once, in living color with full stereophonic sound.

Beware. If I don't have the little one, I may be going for the bigger one.

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Re: WHY THE GUN IS CIVILIZATION
« Reply #42 on: May 14, 2011, 11:24:51 PM »
Archy, your post is inspiration.  Thank you.  Now, how soon can you get here?  Thanks!
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Re: WHY THE GUN IS CIVILIZATION
« Reply #43 on: May 15, 2011, 06:38:05 AM »
I second rhodges.... :)

Can't drive a tank, but......
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Re: WHY THE GUN IS CIVILIZATION
« Reply #44 on: May 18, 2011, 02:15:48 PM »
Archy, your post is inspiration.  Thank you.  Now, how soon can you get here?  Thanks!


I'm workin' on it. I've got a couple of things out this way to try to take care of first, and a few family chores to work out, but by end of summer, I oughta be in place. Twice I've waited too long and gotten skunked by winter weather. not again.

However, this fella thinks he oughta be Indiana's next governor, and I think there's a thing or two I can do about that: http://www.whas11.com/news/Former-speaker-Gregg-to-run-for-Indiana-governor-121887139.html
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