Author Topic: Books for Our Troops, Would This Work?  (Read 6334 times)

Offline NorthGunner

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Books for Our Troops, Would This Work?
« on: January 20, 2008, 08:28:05 PM »
Hi Everyone,  :)

    I had a thought a while back that I want to share (mentioned it to Renee/Libertymom..she thought it was a great idea; but she's 'biased,lol :D >:D )

    Since so many people are already sending care packages to our troops overseas, why not send copies of both Molon Labe! and Hologram of Liberty over to be enjoyed as a bundle by our brothers and sisters in uniform.  The interior page could be stamped with, "Thank You for Your Service! - FSW" with a way to find/access the site.

     What do you think?  Good idea/workable or Bad idea/not workable (and why?)

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Re: Books for Our Troops, Would This Work?
« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2008, 09:51:48 PM »
It's workable

I have copies of both circulating over here, if you want to send copies, I can drop 'em off at the rec. center library or give 'em to people.
I get positive reactions from everyone that reads any of Boston's books.

I'll post my address on here if you want

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Re: Books for Our Troops, Would This Work?
« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2008, 05:40:35 AM »
My own copies of those books plus a few others (Unintended Circumstances, Patriots, etc) have made their way around the squadron and my last one.  I think people are truly interested in these ideas.

How about you guys send me new ones so I have something to read - they just keep passing them along!   ;D ~W~

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Re: Books for Our Troops, Would This Work?
« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2008, 12:55:11 PM »
I have a number of books you might like. Also, we might have some duplicate copies of good things in the FSW library.

There used to be a way to ship books and packages to servicemen at a low rate. Does anyone remember what that was?

I will ask the folks at the local VFW outpost about it. They might be willing to help too. We might ask any of the Veteran's organizations, or other service organizations. It would be a good way to get them involved in a liberty project and make contacts that would promote good communication between the local people and FSW.

I'm going to give it a try anyway, and will post any results.
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Re: Books for Our Troops, Would This Work?
« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2008, 04:25:59 PM »
Hi ML, FF101 and Blaineus,  :)

    FF101, great to hear that you get postive reactions from everyone reading Boston's books.  Please feel free to PM me with your address if you like. Glad to hear that both you and Blaineus have copies circulating around - keep up the good work!! ;D

    Blaineus, that's the idea,lol! Let's put more great books into the hands of good men and women that desparately need them!
   
    Mama Liberty,  thank you in advance for asking the folks at the local VFW outpost about it.  You very much hit the head of the nail with your response (build bridges between the FSW community and local Vets).  Looking forward to hearing back from you about your results.

Yours In Liberty! ~W~
Steve Kristmann aka Northgunner
   
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Re: Books for Our Troops, Would This Work?
« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2008, 06:18:24 PM »
Will do, Steve... just have to wait until I'm no longer snowbound, I guess! LOL
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Re: Books for Our Troops, Would This Work?
« Reply #6 on: June 16, 2008, 12:21:49 PM »
{This is getting old - FSW Forum Admin}
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Re: Books for Our Troops, Would This Work?
« Reply #7 on: June 16, 2008, 12:45:16 PM »
This project stalled because I got no indication of interest from local veteran's groups. They have their own programs, etc. If we want to do this, we'll have to do it ourselves.

I write letters and emails to a number of FSW members and friends in the military. I've offered to write to any of their buddies who would like to get letters. We might do a lot of good that way, and be able to send specific books, movies and so forth to carefully targeted people over there, instead of a shotgun approach.

If anyone wants to work with me on this, please let me know.
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Re: Books for Our Troops, Would This Work?
« Reply #8 on: June 16, 2008, 01:10:34 PM »
Smedley Butler's booklet is in the public domain and widely available online.

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Re: Books for Our Troops, Would This Work?
« Reply #9 on: June 16, 2008, 08:30:55 PM »
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Wow, thanks buddy.  I'm sure that's exactly how it is.

I'm done reading the forum for a while thanks to this guy.  That'll give me more time to read my current book, Curious George  Learns the Alphabet.
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Re: Books for Our Troops, Would This Work?
« Reply #10 on: June 16, 2008, 10:19:26 PM »
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OK, this is getting a bit out of hand.  Perhaps Boston or a moderator could have a word with Mr. Vonu?

FWIW, my daughter is a West Point graduate and happens to be PIC* flying Apaches.  I'm quite sure she'd be offended by your post and insinuation that she and other military personnel are somehow illiterate, as am I.




















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Re: Books for Our Troops, Would This Work?
« Reply #11 on: June 17, 2008, 05:57:35 AM »
Peace, fellas... Boston has noticed this guy and will take care of it...
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Re: Books for Our Troops, Would This Work?
« Reply #12 on: June 17, 2008, 03:20:12 PM »
Actualy war IS a racket, but some people don't realize that despite his interesting outlook and military record, Smedley Butler was one of the voices lent to the crushing of the gold standard by one "hero of the people" FDR.  Or as Maj. Gen. Butler called him "Mr. President".

While, from his own essays it seems he was more a useful tool rather than conscious helper, his voice lent to the "help pay the nations debt with a more available form of money" was one of the keys for popular/ignorant support.

Thus lets make sure we blame everyone who is even partly guilty or blame nobody and look at things critically.  In fact, part of the reason why the military has "sissified" in some ways (not a bad thing) is because so many intellectual types and women who are enrolling who are less willing to put up with abuse.  Why might you ask?  Why not?  While reading On Killing, I noticed that Lt. Col. Grossman points out that soldiers only require two qualities that must be instilled.  Aggression and more importantly, obedience.  Some of the most intelligent and well educated people I know are still some of the easiest people to control psychologically.  Education is NOT a prerequisite for a strong will, and neither is intelligence.  A strong will is something most modern people completely lack, and those who had one growing up have it systematically weakened through trained submission at every level, from "going to class" to "getting a job".  I still hold that unquestioning obedience and obedience when they knew better was the source of mankind's original sin.  Not sex as some ignorant zealots preach.

Likewise, the military isn't the bunch of twits and unaccomplished idiots as some think.  Given that most of these guys are trained on hardware usage more than they are on field combat with guns in some mudhole (ala vietnam/korea) or sand hell (ala Afghanistan or Iraq), the USA military is mostly geared up for logistics and high tech warfare, than for actual ground pounding.  In fact, a recent complaint reached my ears that there are "TOO FEW TRIGGER PULLERS" and too many "paper pushers and logistics people". 

My only real concern is that most of the grunts, while neither stupid, nor illiterate, are somewhat less educated on a different and FAR more important front.  They are willing tools and unwilling to accept the simple fact that the people who run the military see them as "expendable assets."  In fact, some of my reading indicates that they are INSURED assets, which makes each of their deaths quite profitable to the Federal Government.  If this is later proven true with heavier documentation than my reading, I think it would be wise to invest in sandbags.  I still cannot see why they do not join the mercenary organizations in the world, which pay better, and treat their employees as valuable contributors and engage in just as much tyranny as the national governments that employ them and pay them better than they do their own armed men and women.  (Recall the shelling Fallujah received after four Blackwater boys were found hanging from some beams.  It pays to have influential employers in the current paradigm.)  Back to my observation, however, the only thing that bothers me is the simple unwillingness of individuals to admit their true motivations or that their motivations may be misguided and those whose orders they follow may have ulterior reasons and very little interest in the wellbeing of their willing and easily expendable tools. 

Vonu, such a thing is called Cognitive Dissonance, not illiteracy or stupidity.  Many of my own military acquaintances make no qualms about it, they're into it for the money or because the job market in their area was fairly dry (chalk it up to government dominance of the markets, IMNSHO.)  Some of them are actually as well read, if not MORE well read than I am... and if you would consider me "illiterate" or "uneducated" or "unread", you may find yourself chalking off a LOT more people in that column than you expected.

Back to my observations, I have a second concern, that the current crop of grunts might be more willing to kill fellow Americans mostly because they were raised socialist and view their enemy to be anyone that is either successful or unwilling to yield to Big Brother.  But that has little to do with such things, since the most ardent supporters of expediency and wholesale tyranny for the sake of a "better world" have been VERY educated.  Take, for example, the Fabian Socialists, Rhodes Scholars (and Cecil Rhodes himself)... all VERY educated.  It didn't stop them from spreading and what's worse, from ENTRENCHING tyranny to the four corners of the world, did it?
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