Wyoming and its challenges

[sbeckman]

Ain't it a shame that all those folks from somewhere else move in, buy up the property (driving the property value up - but driving the quality of living free down) and then want to make their new county, city, state just like the one they left?

This seems to be a problem everywhere.  It is hard to understand.

This is typical bullshit.  People moving in don't "drive prices up".

Sellers are certainly free to sell their property, homes, etc. as a lower price to prevent an increase in prices.

I'll bet you don't hear the sellers bitchin'   

Quit blaming the people moving in, the sellers sets the initial offering price and the price that they accept.  They are free to set it lower and avoid the "driving up of prices".

Sheesh...........

[celeste]

I've always found that it is necessary to have extreme points of view allowed into the mix to find a middle ground.  If you do not listen to the extremists, well you end up with Democrats and Republicans being the only ones with a voice.

[bobcat]

Various ends of the spectrum of an argument are fine.

It's the presentation that makes the difference.  Being civil and and acting with a modicum of respect are pretty minimal expectations.  D did none of this.  He came out of the box with hatchet bared at any and all comers.  Definition of hostility and disrespect.

Taking personal potshots, arguments without obvious back-up and general ill-will towards others, and society at large, is unacceptable.  Self righteous comes to mind.

So this really wasn't about exploring and discussing a wide range of opinions, it was about out and out hostility.  Simply unacceptable to most and unnecessary at best.

[M1A4ME]

I guess you'd just have to live in a place with a fixed amount of private property (coal and timber company land doesn't count as "private land"and they don't sell it to private individuals) where folks that were born and live there make an average of $30,000 to $40,000 a year (when you can find a job) and you can buy a 200 acre farm for $50,000 or a house on a third of an acre for $25,000.  And then the folks retiring from their $200,000 a year job on the east coast, New England, etc. sell their $500,000 (or more) house and start buying up the land for prices the locals can't begin to afford. 

I don't live there anymore, and won't be going back when I retire.  Home isn't home anymore.  Disagree all you want.  I'll just laugh all the harder because I know folks that are living in a place where it's been happening.

[Pumpkihn]

Ain't it a shame that all those folks from somewhere else move in, buy up the property (driving the property value up - but driving the quality of living free down) and then want to make their new county, city, state just like the one they left?

This seems to be a problem everywhere.  It is hard to understand.

I was focusing more on that part.

[Boston]

from Phumpkin:

Ok, well, now that that's all over I feel a little torn.  On one hand I like forums where someone can say whatever they really feel and it won't be censored or lead to banishment.  However, it's nice that things can be regulated to actual meaningful conversation.  I don't know which I like better.

I hear you. 
It's good to get challenged occasionally on things.
He could have made the same argument and remained
here if he hadn't been such a jerk about it.

Besides, he's patently illogical.  He moved to Wyoming just like
many of us have, yet we are responsible for rising prices?
Also, if Wyoming is such a statist dystopia, then why is he still here?

In my earlier days, I'd have had fun with him, but . . .
"It's like wrestling a pig:  there's no winning, and the pig likes it!"
Some people one just has to avoid, as they are just gum on the shoe.

Funny, though, how canking him reinforces Duncan's own pickled paradigm.
I'm a control freak, you're all suckers for moving here, and the world's against him.

___________
Oh, btw, Mac, great post!  You continue to be one of our
most prominent champions of life in Wyoming.  Thanks!

Boston

[sbeckman]

Ain't it a shame that all those folks from somewhere else move in, buy up the property (driving the property value up - but driving the quality of living free down) and then want to make their new county, city, state just like the one they left?

This seems to be a problem everywhere.  It is hard to understand.

I was focusing more on that part.

Yeah, that does seem to be more of a problem with the "liberal" types though.

Me, I just wan to be LEFT ALONE!  Wyoming is certainly a better place for that.

I suppose that's because I'm currently in the Peoples Republik of Kalifornia 

[Paul W. Allen]

  The one thing about Wonderful Wyo is that there is a lane heading out for every lane leading in. Duncan raised several points that are a continuous point of contention here in Wyoming. I'll grant that Wyo is not perfect, hell it is a far cry from the state in which I grew up even though the vista has never changed. But that's alright, it keeps the population regulated. Wyoming is not perfect, it is harsh, it is brutal, and it can be unforgiving. It is however worth the price for those of us who see the true beauty buried within. Personally I do not worry about rising costs, a second Cold War, or even the outcome of the upcoming election. I live in Wyoming and my main concern right now is being prepared for an early and very cold winter, everything else is secondary. It is what it is, if this were paradise everyone would want to live here. Those of us in the know would rather they don't. Keep it free and keep it our lil' secret. Paul

[M1A4ME]

Paul, my wife used to say, "wouldn't it be great if some of these big companies would build factories at home so people wouldn't have to leave to find good jobs?"

My reply was always, "heck no, then home would be like Richmond, VA!"  All these crazy, non driving people who want to tell everyone else what to do with their spare time has alwasy amazed me.  When I retire we're moving about 1 to 2 hours west/southwest of here and buying a little bit of land just outside of some small town.  Just enough land, far enough out, that I can ride my 3 wheeler a little, shoot my guns a little and do, or not do, whatever else I want without the neighbors complaining about it or the county cops showing up in front of my house.

Ya'll have a good one.  Enjoy your views and your air and your peace and quiet.  A lot of folks don't know what they are missing (and maybe that's a good thing).

[308shooter]

I argee with some of what you say in that Wyoming isn't really as free as many here like it sound like, but what you forget to mention is that its much better than 95% of the rest of the country.

And you're wrong about the jobs. Plenty of jobs here and they aren't all low paying.

I moved here with minimal skills and within weeks find employment in a trade that will not only teach me a lot, but pays $15.00 an hour. Much better than I could have done in my old area. And I'm getting many calls from other jobs I've applied at before I got this one. Employment wise, its probably better than 3/4 of the country if not better.


Let's see

No gun registration or permit schemes.

Lower taxes.

And lots of the little stuff that has already been mentioned by Amanfromnevada.

Even if you suspest it will change with time, remember we aren't there yet. We still have time to fight it, or worse case enjoy freedom a little longer. Kind in mind also that the other more socialist states are not going to stop stomping on freedom either, if WY does eventually go the way of CA, ILL, MA, etc; where do you think those states will be ? Much worse than they are now.


Another thing I noticed when reading through some of the states penal code is that lots of crimes that are punishable by a felony in other states are still a misdemeanor here in Wyoming. Although many of them shouldn't be illegal in the first place, it is a step in the right direction.

Wyoming isn't perfect but its a lot better than you make it sound.

[archy]

I argee with some of what you say in that Wyoming isn't really as free as many here like it sound like, but what you forget to mention is that its much better than 95% of the rest of the country. ... .
No gun registration or permit schemes.

I wonder if we're getting many folks interested in FSW from Alaska or Vermont.... Certainly I'd expect that at least some heading our way are leaving *open season on unarmed victim* zones, but we may also pick up a few leaving previous digs who simply refuse to relocate to new homes governed by regulatory bureaucracies and threarened by the inherent dangers of some of the pismire states.

[MamaLiberty]

Well, hold onto your hats, folks. The county bureaucrats here have announced a public meeting to share their wonderful plans for our lives this afternoon. 2 PM at the USDA building in Newcastle.

They intend to "plan" land use, including zoning and building codes, etc.

Now, doesn't that just warm the cockles of your heart?

I'll be there... for what it's worth.

[MANUMIT]

Friday afternoon on a holiday weekend...that'll be widely attended.   

[MamaLiberty]

Friday afternoon on a holiday weekend...that'll be widely attended.   

Well, now... you wouldn't really expect them to do anything to actually encourage people to come... would you? Not as if they were honestly interested in what anyone else thought, surely...

But, if anyone else in the area values their liberty a bit more than the "holiday," maybe they'll come. We'll see - if anyone else found out about it in time.

The fun part is that these meetings are "announced" in the local newspaper which comes out once a week. I often don't pick up my paper until Friday night or Saturday (go to the mail drop seldom) and would not have read about this until it was too late to go. Thanks to Linda, I know about it soon enough to attend.

Sneaky bastids...

[MamaLiberty]

My, what an interesting little game that was...

Quite a few people showed up, much to the chagrin of the "board." The chairman (or whatever he is) stood up and said there had been a mistake in the newspaper announcement and that, while all board meetings are "open to the public," this was not a meeting to receive public comment or input, but to take the first steps to review and begin plans to implement the most recent land use statutes passed by the state legislature.

He went on to say that all of the state and county "laws" were very necessary so that everyone could have their freedom! (Say what?) The gist of it was that nobody could do just whatever they wanted on their property, in their cars, or with their guns, for instance, so laws were necessary to keep people safe and "free."

[Sort of like the "law" that prohibits me from carrying my gun in that building is vital to keep me safe from some cretin who might come in there and shoot people... Oh wait, the cretins don't obey those "laws" anyway, do they?]

I may not have that exactly right because it was very hard to hear over the grinding of my teeth.

You will be proud of me, however. I kept my mouth shut and left as soon as I could. Several people were a bit bug eyed at my empty holster...

The nanny state is here. The county commissioners, etc. are now firmly convinced that they must be our parents and guardians, with our "health and safety" as their sacred obligation, to ensure our "good" by ever more "laws" passed to restrict what we can do in order to ensure our freedom. Get it? We WILL be "free" to do exactly as we are told. That must be what he means.

They are no longer our employees... they are our keepers. And, lucky us, every once in a while we get to "vote" for a new keeper.