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Offline Viking

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Don't ask me why a Navy guy is stationed in OH...an introduction.
« on: September 26, 2008, 12:35:24 PM »
My fellow freedom lovers,
I am a Navy LT currently in the bureaucratic process of resigning my commission in the US Navy.  I did everything my country asked of me – Eagle Scout, ROTC, and 6 yrs as a commissioned officer.  I am a reformed conservative, but after sailing around most of the western hemisphere (Colombia/Ecuador/Venezuela mostly) for the last 5 years involved in the “war” on terror I am about to hang up my support of imperialism – which I erroneously believed was in line with my Former Reagan-type beliefs.   I used to be able to justify it by saying if I did not stay in the military, then who would replace me on the ship, to stand the watch, to look out for the sailors…some one less capable most likely.  (There are a lot of bad officers in the navy) But this was also my own misplaced self-importance.  The Navy has been around for almost 233 years and it will get along fine without me.
About 3 years ago I had an epiphany that my pro-imperialistic ways were wrong:  Misplaced patriotism.  In a large part, after I purchased Boston’s Gun Bible, my views about serving the nanny state have changed.  I purchased BGB, because I have always been a Pro-Second Amendment, and practicing marksman, little did I know that it would confirm my suspicions about element in our government who seek tirelessly to take the last few freedoms we enjoy.   I have had the unpleasant experience of being stationed in the peoples RepubliK of Kalifornia for 4 years and my eyes Really opened – try buying owning a firearm there!  Most of my buddies had to circumvent the law to bring their firearms into the state, when ordered there by the military…they had no choice.  Luckily, I was able to leave my full-capacity Box Magazines and California banned weapons with my parents in MI.  PRK -A once great frontier state brought to its knees by the tyranny of the minority, who are Barbra Boxer/Nancy Pelosi Socialistic elites who seethe with hatred that at least of few of us of want to be free.   For anyone who believes RKBA is not tied to your political freedom explicitly – move to Kalifornia and you will be convinced.  I used to believe that I was protecting freedom by serving in the US Military – I am only perpetuating the survival of ***holes like Chuck Schumer who trample our rights.
It would sadden you to know as I do how many of my brave fellow military members are die-hard socialists-but they don’t know it.  The Neo-Cons cannot wage their wars without  the 20 years of service  or nothing retirement system for the military (eerily like the Roman Legionnaire enlistment of 20 yrs – but at least the roman senators were required to alternate political position with service in the legions...but I digress)  The military drags in youths with a four year enlistment (or service obligation in the case of officers) enticing them with education  benefit and promising job skills,  then makes leaving the service next to impossible, because you have no “real” marketable skills…
Take my own case: I am a Surface warfare officer; basically I make tactical decisions about how to employ the ship’s capabilities during operations.  Translation: no real skills for the workplace, other than basic management.
Most of the young men and women who serve are not there for patriotism but for a secure paycheck and benefits.  They are great people and continue to sacrifice for our misguided foreign policy, but are a product of our times of entitlements.
I want to join this forum, because the FSW project is the only thing left where people believe in self-sufficiency and the Jeffersonian ideal of the yeoman rifleman.  I doubt my family and I will be able to move to WY anytime soon, but I do dream of doing so.  I’ll have sit and stew as a monarchist in a state of statists while I find some “honest” job skills while I finish out my tour of duty here in OH (beats Cali, but certainly not WY.)
Thank you for all of you here who have had the courage to vote with your feet _ stand the watch of freedom for the rest us until we can properly (but belatedly) relieve you.

I hope you'll excuse that I've choosen a pseudonym until I am properly free of my govt. shackle: free speech is not allowed for military Officers.

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Re: Don't ask me why a Navy guy is stationed in OH...an introduction.
« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2008, 12:53:35 PM »
Bless your heart!! Welcome, welcome, welcome! You will certainly have a real family and community here, both now and when you can finally come to join us in the flesh.

Some others of our members are in (or have been in) your situation, and I know that they will be both an inspiration and support to you.

Please stay in touch and let us know how we can help - or just be friends. :)
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Re: Don't ask me why a Navy guy is stationed in OH...an introduction.
« Reply #2 on: September 26, 2008, 04:36:01 PM »
Welcome Viking
I guess you can say I'm in the same boat you are (pun intended), trying to get through the last few days (268 to be exact) of my enlistment in the Army.  My eyes opened after I read one of Boston's books too, you need to read Molon Labe if you haven't already.

Navy guy stationed in Ohio? that's about as strange as seeing Navy guys deployed here in Baghdad

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Re: Don't ask me why a Navy guy is stationed in OH...an introduction.
« Reply #3 on: September 26, 2008, 10:31:33 PM »
Welcome aboard Viking.  It is nice to have a "squid" around! ;)  I know exactly where you are coming from.  I have been in the AF now 17 and a half years.  I am a SNCO... ICBMs all my career.  Minuteman II, III and the deactivated Peacekeeper :'(  Our dumbasses in congress took away our most powerful and accurate ICBMs. I like to call it gun control for missiles.  You can only have one bullet per ICBM versus the 10 that the PK could hold!

I initially enlisted back in '90, but they put me into the DEP, and didn't get to basic until March of '91.  I came in "open electronics" and had college under my belt which helped out immensly.  However, I didn't get the PMEL or avionics jobs I was looking for, but my last choice... ICBMs.  I did get my first base choice though, Ellsworth SD.  I was only going to do my four years, then punch.  However, I grew to enjoy all the ICBM folks and the close knit community we had.  I thoroughly enjoyed working in Missile Maintenance and the culture was still the SAC mindset of Peace Through Strength, or what I have on a T-Shirt: Peace Through Superior Firepower.  Shortly after I signed up for my second hitch, the Clintonistas took over and things started to change for the worse.  One thing that does appeal to me about ICBMs, we stay home as the silent warriors and our defense is our strength.  But now, keeping ICBMs on alert and target (green time) is not at all that important anymore... my humble opinion.  We have deactivated 3 missile wings, the 400th Missile Squadron (PK) and recently the 654th in MT, 100 birds now gone and not covering targets.  Now things have seem to come full circle.  With the recent bad press of the Minot incident of flying loaded ALCMs, shipment of ICBM parts to Taiwan, falsified destruction records and crews falling asleep with classifed... the call is now amongst old timers "BRING SAC BACK!"

Where I work, I am the only enlisted guy, but the Captains and Majors I work with are all excellent officers.  Two prior enlisted and the others are ROTC guys.  I see them get shot down by Colonels when they are trying to make the right call on evaluations/inspections, and I see their frustration.  Just as my Major and I get quite frustrated when we get shot down.  We have identified NAF wide problems, and the vice commander wanted something done, implemented our recommendations to the wings to help mitigate or eliminate them.  Two wings have complied, however, one wing commander has told his OPS group commander they will not be complying with it!  We have seen cartoons of General LeMay rising from the grave to kick ass and fix what is broken.  As you know, once officers become generals and civilians move into the SES, they are politicians. 

Not all is lost though, yet.  I have worked with liberty minded enlisted and officers who believe our country and military is going to shit as well.  One particular "O" who shall remain anonymous, yelled out to me one day while we were outside:  "Hey!  I have a new catch phrase!"  I said "What is that Colonel?"  and he yells "F*** Barack!"  I returned with "I didn't hear that Sir..." while covering my ears.  He then yelled it louder!!  >:D  Another day I was in his office showing him a new NFA weapon I have.  He was really digging it and we got talking about individual rights and liberties.  He said flat out: "The second ammendment is my carry permit!"  He also told me one day that if our country really takes a dive, he is moving to Montana and starting a militia.  I told him I would be right on his heels.  I also see him at the range now and then too.  He is a bit too hard core though for some people there, and they think he is on the edge.  I disagree.  The weird thing is that he is originally from occupied territory on the east coast!!

The old dogs, so to speak, are the ones who are very frustrated.  They are retiring right at 20 years, or punching out early without regards to loss of retirement or time served.  One major I know well, is counting the days down to retire.  He cant wait.  Same thing, he doesn't play the game or play well with others who are PC... that is why he is retiring as a major vs Lt Col or Col.

There are some outstanding young airmen out there, but the most of them are very ignorant of our liberty.  Then there are the ones who will blindly follow without questioning something that seems wrong.  A few I work with give me crap now and then because of my liberty minded views. 

Today I got to tell most people how my traffic court went yesterday.  They were all very curious to how it went, and were shocked that I didn't get thrown in jail for contempt.  I fought a bogus ticket and dishonest intimidating cop.  Yes, I was going fast, but NOWHERE near to what this guy said.  Never let me see the radar either.  Well, long story short, I lost.  I represented myself Pro Se and I saw right away that I pissed off the judge when I wouldn't take the oath.  She stopped and told me I need to raise my hand to take an oath.  I politely said "Your Honor, I do not intend to testify against myself or take the stand."  She gave me one of those, how dare you stop me and question me look.  She then said again I need to take the oath.  I then firmly said "Ma'am, I am not going to testify against myself."   The cop lied towards the end of his questioning by the Prostitution, and basically said that I was sarcastic and I refused to sign the ticket initially.  So the stage was set that I was a non-compliant little surf.  I had him dead to rights in cross examination concerning the operation of his radar (got a copy of the manual) and I had case law to boot.  She got pissed at me when I wanted to admit them both to the court for her consideration and she would not do it.  I ultimately pissed her off when I said, "Radar operates the same in WY as it does in Nebraska."  She then found me "guilty" and made me pay the whole ammount.  Most of them said "always stirring the pot, or rocking the boat!" while laughing with me.

Anyway, keep your chin up LT and keep doing the best for your troops and they will follow you into hell with gas cans.
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Re: Don't ask me why a Navy guy is stationed in OH...an introduction.
« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2008, 10:15:46 AM »
Howdy Viking welcome aboard our little freedom ship! Lots of info here and lots of great folks to answer questions and trade stories with. I am always glad to hear that there are still a few miliary people who believe in freedom. I hope you can bring a few more to FSW with you.
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Re: Don't ask me why a Navy guy is stationed in OH...an introduction.
« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2008, 05:00:12 PM »
Thanks for the welcome aboard! 
Gabby, Interesting hearing the Airforce perspective (I'm stationed at WPAFB)...3 more years and you're done with your indentured servitude.  I always thought dirtside stratigic deterance (not submarines)would be a good mission because you get stationed out in the big country.  OH is way too overpopulated (like everything else east of the misssissippi)  - a "long shot" at a whitetail is 100 yds with a shotgun.  The Armed Forces in this country are like butter scraped over too much bread. 

Maybe I came off too much as a whiner in my last post...I do like working with most of the junior and some senior folks, I just can't stand the socialist mentality and that the military is a the arm of a misguided/poorly planned imperialistic occupations.  We should serve to defend this nation from outside aggression...nothing more; as the framers intended.  They would not think a professional, career military (like the one they fought in the independence.) is good for the republic.  I love my country, but the majority of people are sheeple and the politicians are the worse sort of panderers (Civilian SESs and General/flag officers included.)

Thanks All!

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Re: Don't ask me why a Navy guy is stationed in OH...an introduction.
« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2008, 03:22:22 PM »
"Permission granted" Viking! Welcome to FSW. If you liked the Gun Bible you'll Love "Hologram of Liberty" I just finished it. Come on out if'n ya get some leave time.

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Re: Don't ask me why a Navy guy is stationed in OH...an introduction.
« Reply #7 on: September 29, 2008, 09:33:05 AM »
Viking,

    Welcome aboard.  As you can see from my avatar, I'm a navy pilot (and a lieutenant, like you).  Been around the FSW for a while now, and hope as well someday to move out that way when my time is served.

    You'll find some great folks on here and wonderful resources to help you get prepared in the mean time.  I have had a lot of the same feelings and thoughts that you have had and have found some of the FSW members to be a great support network as I've learned more and more about what freedom truly is.  Due to the pilot commitment I have quite a bit more time left of obligated service, but I look forward to seeing you someday out west.  If you ever want to vent or share sea stories, PM me.

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Re: Don't ask me why a Navy guy is stationed in OH...an introduction.
« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2008, 03:36:44 PM »
Nice to see a  C(M)H-53 guy here.  I had HSM-47 deployed on my first ship, an Amphib, that's a big bird to fly!  a mack truck.  I can remember driving on one course all day (for winds) carrying out anti-mining ops, landing and launching MH-53s as a newly minted Officer of th Deck.

Another 'sea' story:  At work today we had an 'effieciency' meeting about how to more evenly distribute work around the command. Granted 80% of the people are DoD CIVs (the most secure job on the earth...even more than the military because you don't get shot at.).  They wanted to make sure everyone was doing thier 'fair' share.  There is no 'fair' in life.  You get what you earn, administer justice as needed (I wish.)  I said if certain people do more work or have more responsibility, that's why they get paid more!   imagine: pay increases for performance...something a bureucrat loathes. Socialists...what a goat rope!

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Re: Don't ask me why a Navy guy is stationed in OH...an introduction.
« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2008, 04:11:27 PM »
I got to ride in slicks, shithooks and a few allouettes and the Sea Stallion was the only rotor craft I liked. I still don't like to fly to this day!

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Re: Don't ask me why a Navy guy is stationed in OH...an introduction.
« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2008, 08:24:15 PM »
MH-53E Sea Dragon... Big Iron.

Glad you got to see what my beautiful bird can do, Viking.

And glad to hear you enjoyed the ride, Biathlon!
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Re: Don't ask me why a Navy guy is stationed in OH...an introduction.
« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2008, 09:50:53 AM »
Thanks for your post, Viking!

We've several military people on our forum, and regardless of
what I and others may feel about the New Imperialism, I hope
that soldiers, airmen, sailors, and marines continue to feel welcome here.

I've always admired the skill at arms, valor, and hardihood of our
military, and regret that there is often a gulf between serving one's
country and working for the USG.  It's a dilemma many have faced
and many more will find themselves facing.  Meanwhile, I appreciate
our soldiers' service in the spirit of service to country.  May they
increasingly experience an honest, intelligent, and open-eyed patriotism,
and serve their country even if that may mean disagreeing with the Govt.

Now, back to aircraft.  I've been in a Huey and C-130 back in the ROTC days.
Pulled lanyard on a 105mm.  Shot an M16 on an Army range.  Was all set
for one of the academies, but then learned (this was in the late 1970s)
about our POWs being abandoned in Vietnam.  That dashed my then lifelong
dream of being a military aviator.  Otherwise, I'd have probably flown A-10s
for the USAF or attack helos for the Army or Marines.  Thus, my nod to a
life never enjoyed through Gov. Preston's USMC captaincy in the Gulf War
as a SuperCobra pilot in Molôn Labé!

Check Six, y'all,
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Re: Don't ask me why a Navy guy is stationed in OH...an introduction.
« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2008, 11:49:09 AM »

Now, back to aircraft.  I've been in a Huey and C-130 back in the ROTC days.
Pulled lanyard on a 105mm.  Shot an M16 on an Army range.  Was all set
for one of the academies, but then learned (this was in the late 1970s)
about our POWs being abandoned in Vietnam.  That dashed my then lifelong
dream of being a military aviator.  Otherwise, I'd have probably flown A-10s
for the USAF or attack helos for the Army or Marines.  Thus, my nod to a
life never enjoyed through Gov. Preston's USMC captaincy in the Gulf War
as a SuperCobra pilot in Molôn Labé!



I was wondering about that, whether that was based on actual experiences or something.  Now I know!  It's kinda strange knowing what an author's intentions are behind the little things included in novels.  Kinda neat. 

I tried to join the Marines my senior year in high school in 2004, as my older brother was in it at the time, and I kind of looked up to him.  But my asthma sort of prevents me from anything of the sort, even though it's practically a non-issue right now.

On the other hand, a friend of mine from church (also named Alex, coincidentally) about the same age as me joined the Army, and he has asthma, he just...failed to mention it to the recruiter.  He made it through basic no problem, and the last time I talked to him, a couple years ago, he was shipping off to Ranger school.  I don't think he made it, though, or that he's even still in the Army, because I saw him briefly a year ago.

My brother fixed electronic systems on F-18s for 5 years in Miramar and in the Persian Gulf.  He had tried to become a pilot, as well, but a 'hazing' stunt in Kuwait put a black mark on his spotless record, and that cut his plans off at the knees pretty nicely.  So, his last year in the Corps was spent training for counterintelligence, as in field work, as in he could have been recruited by the CIA (so he says).  He definitely has a knack for knowing how to gather intel and interrogate people.
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Re: Don't ask me why a Navy guy is stationed in OH...an introduction.
« Reply #13 on: October 02, 2008, 03:44:48 PM »
Yes Viking, there are many current/former military here at FSW. You'll no doubt find plenty of comradierie here without the fatigue, sleep deprivation or fear. A word of wisdom from a "more experienced"(ok,   older)person, you'll never quite relate to civilians after you ETS. Again, welcome.

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Re: Don't ask me why a Navy guy is stationed in OH...an introduction.
« Reply #14 on: October 02, 2008, 10:19:50 PM »
Boston,

Thank You!  It is truly an honor.  Your advice in BGB is priceless.  I am still trying to wrangle a private sale, 2 MOA HK-91 off a buddy as my "Road Warrior" rifle.  I've shot it out to 300yds and it is a tack driver (you don't get much further than that in SW OH.) If it wasn't for your convincing arguments I would have wasted all my money (your taxes) on customising Kimber 1911s, and Benelli SBE IIs (fine weapons but gentry guns)! 

I appreciate all the camraderie and welcome from everyone here.

There is a hard core freedom-minded strain in the US military...but it is a small minority and hidden in the cracks.  Our society once had the great task of deciding between freedom and security...the balance has tipped to security, which will prove to be shortsighted.  I don't need to tell anyone here that once a freedom is lost, it can only be won again through usheathing the sword.  In the Navy it is academic,  most time spent aboard ship is isolated from the rest of the world other than the majesty of the ocean and limited comunications - no freedom 4,000 tones of security!  In 2006, I deployed on a frigate that patroled the eastern pacific: a triangle of ocean from Peru to Panama to the Galapagas Is; our mission was counter narco-terrorism (how is that for newspeak!).   The ecuadorian fishermen worked hard and lived a miserable existance in tiny 20-40 ft vessels, 1000 NM from land, which made our small warship look like a pleasure cruise in comparison. We would board them and look for cocaine,and 9/10 times we wouln't find any (just harrass them so they had an even harder time making a living).  When we did find any, it was taken by the DEA to be "destroyed."  I can only speculate where it really turned up...These are the type of gray situations that test your morality, especially if you think that the trafficking of narcotics should be decriminalized - but its hard to go about making value judgements, and changing things though activism, because the original intent is always left on the wayside by political oportunists.   This is why I like the FSW project because it is not an attepmt to ram an ideology down the throat of someone else, more a concentration of like minded individuals. It is a type of solitude with out mass oratory, and pandering politics.  You'll have to forgive my reading of too many louis La'Mour Westerns...I tend to idealize the western fronter spirit, (except when I lived on the west coast in SOCAL.)  I think you folks who have already moved to WY are the modern pioneers and embody a modern incarnation of that spirit.