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Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
« Reply #60 on: July 01, 2009, 08:31:49 PM »
If I'm not out of Virginia by the time Komissar Tim Kaine does the same thing, I'll be sure to post the correspondence up here... then again, I'd sooner jump in a 30 foot sloop and take my chances with the 50 foot waves out at sea... the waves can be dealt with... socialist komissars are DANGEROUS!

Congrats on the move, to both of ya (and happy birthday.)

As for comparing your move with the feeling kids get looking at their first day of summer vacation, think about it for a second or two.  Why did we all LOVE going on vacation?  Not for play, not for laziness, no... because somewhere subconsciously (if not consciously) we all KNEW that schools were internment camps... we were all celebrating freedom... if even a temporary freedom.

You're feeling that, but on a much larger scale.  Glad to hear it.
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Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
« Reply #61 on: July 01, 2009, 08:49:39 PM »


   Governments all fail sooner or later just by being gov. Inevitable. They just commit suicide. More power to them heh, heh. The problem,,,,, they keep breeding and re-inventing. Its time for a nut cuttin. >:D

   The capitol city of components in Wyo. is in Glenrock Wyo. So if you get here, need some, go there. Even they are having a hard time keeping stocked.

   Will probably be going there Fri. Will call tomorrow to see if they have what I need. If so, I will go.
   You never have enough ammo. or components.
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Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
« Reply #62 on: July 01, 2009, 08:55:03 PM »
If I'm not out of Virginia by the time Komissar Tim Kaine does the same thing, I'll be sure to post the correspondence up here... then again, I'd sooner jump in a 30 foot sloop and take my chances with the 50 foot waves out at sea... the waves can be dealt with... socialist komissars are DANGEROUS!

Congrats on the move, to both of ya (and happy birthday.)


Thank you! We're loving it.

I've been vacillating between feeling like we're just moving, and feeling like we're escaping the death camps. Last night we were watching episodes of "Jericho", there was a scene where people passing from one town to another were stopped by a citizen-run checkpoint, and almost turned away (until someone recognized them) because they didn't have proof of residency. (Isn't that possibility mentioned in Surviving Y2K? come to think of it, I think the producers/writers of "Jericho" may have read all of Boston's books, there's so many themes in common, and the books came first.)

But when I saw that scene, I actually pulled our Wyoming rental lease out of the box that was going in the back of the truck and put those papers in my bag that goes with me up in the cab, in case I had to show it somewhere. (Put it with the papers we had to get from the vet for the proof of good health of the cats, because we may have to show them too if we have to stop the big truck at a weigh station, it may be considered a commercial vehicle, may depend on the loaded weight.)

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Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
« Reply #63 on: July 01, 2009, 08:56:56 PM »


   Governments all fail sooner or later just by being gov. Inevitable. They just commit suicide.....

Dealing with, and cleaning up, a suicide, is damn messy work. And suicidal people sometimes take out innocent bystanders in the process. Yikes!
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Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
« Reply #64 on: July 01, 2009, 09:04:11 PM »
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I've been vacillating between feeling like we're just moving, and feeling like we're escaping the death camps.

Maybe both, once Herr "Ahnuld" gets goose stepping?
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« Reply #65 on: July 01, 2009, 09:08:09 PM »
Jubal, Michael, I can't help but ponder that, perhaps, Arnold did Commiefornians a favor.  Tearing their welfare state apart will force them to either jump off a ledge or learn to survive and deal with one another without goobermint and thugocracy.

I could be wrong... it is just "a ponder" at this time.

Still, it almost seems like bonds are being deliberately cut to FORCE people to be free or die.  Maybe they're taking Patrick Henry's advice backwards?

Besides, just imagine how many of those La Raza and MS13 scumbags who came to live for free in America will run back to their originating mudholes once there's no more rich folks to fleece here?  They might hate "gringo" and "yanqui" but they sure as hell know whose blood and production they consume when they come to usurp "yanqui."
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Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
« Reply #66 on: July 01, 2009, 09:38:54 PM »
Jubal, Michael, I can't help but ponder that, perhaps, Arnold did Commiefornians a favor.  Tearing their welfare state apart will force them to either jump off a ledge or learn to survive and deal with one another without goobermint and thugocracy.....

It's not that simple. Remember, it's California. Residents of this state are not going to wake up to a libertarian paradise tomorrow morning if IOUs get mailed out. Here's my prediction:

Increasing unrest, complaining, riots, crime and some more-than-usual murder throughout the summer. National Guard and Army restore "order" by fall. Obama prints a bunch more money and "fixes it", things go "back to normal" (but with more fed cops on every corner) by winter.

I'll say this: the U-Haul rental place was busier today than I've ever seen it. Lots of folks quietly moving out.

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« Reply #67 on: July 01, 2009, 11:58:57 PM »
Yeah, but I know from my own history that government on the streets == crushed economy... No profits for anyone but government and their cronies.  California is done for, economically.  Might as well use the next "bailout" to have everyone surviving there, issued one gun, one bullet.  Plus instructions how to blow their own brains out.  In 400 years, another traveler can "rediscover" California, and note that it has rich black top soil, very fertile and it will be farmed by very "earth friendly" local farmers who live in communes and have rediscovered the wonders of 40 year lifespans, high infant mortality and death from a myriad of plagues unheard of today.

Historians will discover the "remains" of "what appears to be a battlefield, ranging the entire californian state area, with many dead warriors still gripping a weapon as they died.  What appears most astonishing about this archaeological find is that all of these warriors seemed to have died from head trauma, and judging by the skull damage, these trauma were delivered via single pistol shots in most cases, leading us to surmise that the warriors of that day must have been at least as competent pistol shots as post Warrior Renaissance Americans are."    >:D >:D >:D

Other than that ending, there's roughly no other "happy" ending to that place.  They had a heaven on their hands and turned it into a slowly creeping hell.  Too bad it won't be safe to go over there in the next few months and shoot video as things deteriorate.  It'd make a great video to sell once this mess is all done with.
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Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
« Reply #68 on: July 02, 2009, 09:02:03 AM »
Jubal, I think you didn't notice that it was ELECTRONIC components being asked about. As far as I know, there are no local sources for these things in Wyoming. Might be a very good business for some entrepreneurial Wyoming transplant to consider setting up. The manufacture of components and building communication devices of all kinds should be a winner once the hammer falls. But then, what do I know?  :P
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Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
« Reply #69 on: July 03, 2009, 06:25:16 AM »
Jubal, I think you didn't notice that it was ELECTRONIC components being asked about. As far as I know, there are no local sources for these things in Wyoming. Might be a very good business for some entrepreneurial Wyoming transplant to consider setting up. The manufacture of components and building communication devices of all kinds should be a winner once the hammer falls. But then, what do I know?  :P

Copper is mostly from El Chino mines in New Mexico, some avionics and electrical wiring types places exist in Kansas, Nebraska, and Missiouri.  The bulk of actual microcircuits, solar panels, and all the rest are still based in California, Washington, Arizona, and Nevada.

If things fall apart however, there is the advantage of old infrastructure dumping. Self assembling circuitry is still pretty simple,
but if all peoples needs are less in the short time it could be giving a leg up pretty fast.

Consider the rise of continuous cast steel production in japan post WW2 vs US industries like Bethlehem steel that has infrastructure
dating well back into the 1800s. Hey if it ain't broke, don't fix it, who cares if it uses six times as much energy. ;)

Anyway, that's probably way in the long term.

For someone new and renting there's bound to be a long checklist of things to check into first. Furnace filters, burner health,
critters living in crawlspaces, attics, if the coyotes get into your trash, coons in the garage, rusted shutoff valves, hornet
nests from previous years, which phone jacks work, which light switches go to what and "mystery" switches that seem to go
to nothing. Oh yes, and for computer geeks the best thing to check has to be the hot,neutral, and ground checker plug in
device.

Rentals in rural areas are amazingly bad for having hot neutral lines, this can lead to much excitement when networking computers
in different parts of the house.  >:D The other one tend to be grounded plugs with no ground. Usually the "fix it" guy just replaces
the old two prong plug with a three prong plug when the old one breaks, on a good day he can remember that the black wire
goes to the small hole side. On a bad day this person might get confused and be thinking DC wiring, black is ground, just add another
wire from the black side to the extra negative plug on the bottom.  :P

Let see, hornets in the AC unit outside(for central heating/cooling) are good to know about before you turn it on.  If there happens
to be any simple burried cable powering the garage before you dig around to perimeter of your house. If the garbage disposal really
works or is just there for decoration/irritation and the same for any dishwashers. Washers and dryers are about the same situation.

Tubs and toilets also tend to provide some excitement after the first week, as specially if the house was vacant for a long time.

So just normal day to day living is bound to provide endless excitement in the short term I'm sure. As specially if someone asks
a question like "why is this old stack of pallets covered in old junk and newspapers buzzing ?" The answer, bees love abandoned
old pallets, as specially ones covered up already. How many bees per pallet one might ask ? Lots, a whole lot! 

Hmm, funky smells from stoves are another good one. Dead mice in the bottom drawer add a special something to those pot pies. ;)
And then there are carpet stains that don't show until you have all your lighting put in, and a pile of furniture already set up.

The best one has the be the old "haunted house effect". Load a house with furniture for twenty years, have it vacant for a few
years, and then reload it in a different patten. Add heating, cold, and moisture variability and the squeaks, creeks, and other
noises can be amazing.  :o

If you have a room with a particularly annoying "ghost" try loading the center down with boxes of books, or dial the heat down to 60
before you go to bed, with any luck you won't have dual bias squeaks.

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Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
« Reply #70 on: July 03, 2009, 08:53:13 AM »
Uh, OK.  :)

I will confirm some of that. Many, many homes in Wyoming had no electrical inspections (YAY!  :D ) and have electrical wired by cowboy  :P but that means the future homeowner really ought to get one of those outlet checkers and go through the house, fixing bad grounds and swapping wires if neutral is mixed with hot. Another particularly Wyoming kinda thing, is you really need some high quality power strips with lightning arrestors because there are frequent thunderstorms here.

Hornets, however, are not Wyoming-specific.  :)
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« Reply #71 on: July 03, 2009, 10:25:14 AM »
I'm not sure those "power strips" are much protection against anything but occasional static bursts, but I seriously doubt they'd be much help against lightning anywhere near close. When a thunderstorm is nearby, I go around and unplug sensitive items - especially electronics. They can be damaged by a close strike even unplugged, I understand... but we do what we can.

One of the dangers I was not aware of until a few years ago is the occasional LOW voltage. If things like compressors in the refrigerator are running and this happens, it can damage them -especially over time. Anyway, this is what I've been told.

The question, then, is what can be done to protect them? Currently, if I see the lights dim, I unplug the refrigerator until the lights are steady again for at least an hour or so. This has only happened a few times, but I am concerned about it happening when I'm not home. Is there some sort of protection device for that?

Off topic, I know... but then I didn't start it.  >:D  :P
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Re: Moving to Wyoming! Enough yackin' about it, we're DOING it.
« Reply #72 on: July 03, 2009, 10:47:07 AM »
Mama, it's simple!
Just get a battery backup UPS system that will handle the entire wattage load for you house.
Right after you take out a second mortgage to pay for it!

There's always a cure, it just may cost too much to be worthwhile.

Low voltage with the same resistance equals higher current. Yes, if a device runs for a long period of time under those conditions it could be damaged. Usually a high current or high temp overload will shut the unit down before any real damage occurs.

If you use a power strip for computer protection make sure the overloads kick in in less than 1/2 cycle. If it's unplugged it's not a problem unless it's hit by the lightning. Just make sure that it's UNPLUGGED! That means power, phone, cable, etc., anything from the outside must be unplugged.
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« Reply #73 on: July 03, 2009, 11:24:17 AM »
I'm not sure those "power strips" are much protection against anything but occasional static bursts....


They need to be surge protector power strips. Not all power strips have surge protectors. Though if they are not surge protectors, but have a circuit breaker (which you have to reset after they flip), they may offer some protection, but possibly not enough.

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« Reply #74 on: July 03, 2009, 01:04:17 PM »
        This is a little off topic.But I wanted to wish everyone a safe happy 4th of July. And may it turn to be a free one.   snakekhawk_54
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