FSW on RFL! Free State Wyoming Podcast is on the air.

[Cato Craft]

With Boston's permission I have done a preliminary podcast to set the context of the FSW project. I will air a later episode with a conversation with Boston.
Listen to the episode here:
http://media.libsyn.com/media/radiofreeliberty/Episode_033.mp3
Regards,
Cato

http://RadioFreeLiberty.com

[Boston]

Episode 033
The OTHER Free State Project / Free State Wyoming's Big Sky appeal /
Why Wyoming makes political and tactical sense /
Molon Labe! is a blueprint for Free State Activism
Free State Wyoming
Mol?n Lab?!

Cato, I thank you for airing "the other side" of the free state movement...Wyoming and the FSW.
The excerpt from Mol?n Lab?! was a nice idea, and well read with good modulation.

Something important that Sorens did not mention:
In the 2003 FSP vote, Western states won more votes than Eastern states, both in 1st and 2nd.
I.e., the free state movement is a Western movement, not an Eastern one.
(Wyoming lost out to NH by just 251 votes...almost the exact number of NH resident FSP members.? Cute.)

You deftly touched on the the real issue of Wyoming vs. NH...taste.

The FSW is the alternative to East coast lifestyles, with an overt emphasis on our gun and ranching culture.
In Wyoming, there is plenty of room for each others' freedoms, with no elbow-bumping that often festers
into "There oughta be a law!" responses.? Plus, Wyoming is not being annually inundated by thousands
of statists, as is NH.? (The FSP is not outpacing or even equaling the net inflow from socialist New York and
Massachusetts...not even at Sorens's 1:100 political leverage ratio.)

I very much look forward to our near-future episode together on Radio Free Liberty!
Lots of exciting things happening with the FSW, and members are moving to Wyoming
nearly every month now.? Thank you for the opportunity to share all this with your listeners soon!

Folks, until then, please sample of the excellent episodes on http://radiofreeliberty.com/ .

Boston

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[Cato Craft]

Here is a portion of an email I got today from a new listener:

...By the way, thanks also for talking about Free State Wyoming in episode #33.
I had not heard of it before.  To my amazement, you covered many of the
exact reasons why I've been reluctant to sign on to the FSP.  After having
lived & visited many parts of this country (including the east coast) and
the world, there's no place that I prefer more than the wide-open western
United States.  I feel that this is where I belong.  The bonus is that
Wyoming is right next door to Idaho.

Sincerely,
Bruce G.

It's nice to know that people are being awakened, one at a time!
-Cato

[Jared]

That was great!!
Can't wait to hear the conversation too.

Boston, have you seen the Philip Dru interviews? http://philipdru.com/  It's a pseudonym and I don't think he's recording anymore, but there's some great interviews there, including one with Sorens from a couple years ago.
Possibly the Scott Horton Show would be interested in an interview? http://scotthortonshow.com/

[Boston]

Jared, thanks for the tip; hadn't heard of that before.
Philip Dru (Administrator) was written by "Col." House,
Woodrow Wilson's eminence gris.  An early globalist...

Boston

[PorcupineSteve76]

Ok....I am a very FIRM supporter in the FSP...regardless New Hampshire or Wyoming. I have lived out west for a time being and do love it there, but also been east. Fof someone like myself, I would not be able to make ends meet in Wyoming...I am in the food service business and really, have checked out Wyoming and Montana plenty of times....trust me, it is not a welcoming sight for me at all. Already having too travel distances too cater, the costs of advertising and just trying to get word of mouth out is already hard enough, even in NH. Yet, I am still in MN, for me, NH is the best choice for me. I am politically active, and, in the same sense, love a good challenge. Wyoming does not offer that for me.

What I propose is this.....the FSP shouldn't be dedicated to one state....it should get the message too all four corners of the US....make a FSP state in the west, north, south, and east. Regional?? This what getting the message of being a "Free-Stater" and libertarian is all about. Getting a focus at four points and going with it, on attacking and defensively.....no right or wrong, proving to EVERYONE thata  state can exist within its own right based on a free market and free society. THATS WHAT IT IS ALL ABOUT!!!!!!!! All you guys want too fuss and fight...look, I don't care what the fuss was about the "picking" of the Free State, and don't care. Me and a fr4eind have been talking about this since we were 12 years old in 1988....so granted, I never wrote books or anything, but ANYONE could have come up with this idea. The thought is there, quit trying too pick or compare....GET THE MOVEMENT GOING EVERYWHERE!!!!!!!!!

In respect to Cato Craft...look, I love your show....heard it first through FTL....you have the best message for libertarianism know too date besides FTL, but, they are a RADIO show, not just a podcast. Cato, I do respect you and love it though and what you do my freind, is what we need, among others that do it. But, don't forget the libertarian aspect behind all this. It is a project, mission, and a decision among people too focus their efforts on one state, regardless there are 4 or 10 states that were picked. That is where the "FSP" went wrong and Sorens needs too wake up and smell the movement. Let's try and focus on the whole picture....let's do 4 or 6 states...regional, four corners or whatever.

Regardless, I am moving east to NH because it is more sound and fit for me too do so. I ENCOURAGE ALL who apply their efforts to Wyoming, and if Wyoming or New Hampshire is not your taste, get ready for the battle, but, start it up where you are at. A freedom and liberty come witha  price when fighting for it. Founding forefathers saw it when they protested Britain.....let us come together, quit separating yourselves, and fight for liberty and freedom for fudge's sake. Geez, this is what I envisioned, let alone, many others before us......LIVE FREE OR DIE is the motto for us all, lets get together and mobilize. Organize
 Yeah? Sound good??? FOR ONCE?? There is no "perfect" state. Let's just get it together and get what we are born with....FREEDOM AND LIBERTY!!!!!!!!!! Thanks and have a good one...all repsonses can be emailed too irishlibertarian76@yahoo.com....come witha  fight, be prepared to get it back!!!!!!!! Later

Porcupine Steve

[Cato Craft]

Porcupine Steve,

I think you are absolutely right- there should be no fighting between and among people who are working toward liberty in this nation. You have looked at two choices in the Free State Movement, and you have perceived that one is better for you than the other. That?s great. And that is exactly what the libertarian philosophy is all about: freedom of choice. There?s nothing bad about choice.

I did not mean to imply in Episode 33 that FSW is somehow better than FSP and I did not mean to imply that people who choose NH over WY are somehow lesser people. That is why I brought up the whole point of ?Taste? in the podcast. The East better suits some people than the West and vice versa. For Cat and me, Wyoming suits our taste better than New Hampshire, but that is not intended to mean that that should apply to everyone.

That having been said, Boston did make a few very important points in Molon Labe! regarding the ability to form a citizenry that is able to literally fight tyranny to remain free. The reading from Molon Labe! that I chose to include in the podcast made the point that it would be much more difficult to accomplish that all-important component of a free society in NH than in wide-open Wyoming. WY is much more gun friendly and able to accommodate training on the types of weapons that would make sense.

Secondly, the points Boston brought out regarding the political demographics of NH and WY should not be forgotten. Your thought of doing a Free State Project in 4 or 6 states would be wonderful- but the reason NH and WY were ultimately chosen by different people was because an objective analysis of population and voting trends for those states shows that the political situation in each of those states is subject to change. An organized and carefully orchestrated movement of libertarian voters into those states just might provide more liberty for all citizens of those states.

And again, as detailed in Molon Labe! Wyoming would take less brute force than New Hampshire to accomplish that. Again, I am in no way saying that NH couldn?t work and that everyone who wants to go there to push for liberty shouldn?t. I?m not saying that at all. But if we are going to seriously try to affect political change in any state or region in this country, it just makes sense to try to do it in a place where you have the most advantage out of the blocks.

Porcupine Steve, I appreciate that you listen to RFL and I appreciate the kind words you said about it. I want RFL to Give FSW a voice that it doesn?t have now, and goodness knows FSP does get a lot of publicity on Free Talk Live. I don?t see FSW as competition to FSP any more than I see FTL as competition to RFL. We?re doing different things with different people, appealing to different tastes, but we?re all pulling in the same direction: to the promise of liberty.

I hope you keep listening to RFL, and I wish you all the best for your future in a free New Hampshire!
Best regards,
Cato

[Blaineus]

Steve,

    Reading your post, I had a lot to say.  So I relaxed, let it go, and then today re-read your post and collected my thoughts.  I think you are absolutely right and absolutely wrong at the same time.  This isn't an attack or a way of punking you.  But I think in looking so hard at the bigger picture, you're missing the bigger picture.  And here is why.

What I propose is this.....the FSP shouldn't be dedicated to one state....it should get the message too all four corners of the US....make a FSP state in the west, north, south, and east. Regional?Huh? This what getting the message of being a "Free-Stater" and libertarian is all about.

    You're 100% right.  We should be able to create a free state movement in every area of the country.  Let's have one in Florida and California and Texas and Montana and Vermont.  Let's spread ourselves out and show the country that liberty and freedom are the only way to live.  But there is a little problem here - the numbers do not add up.  We can't show anyone what liberty and freedom mean if we can't create an example of liberty and freedom for everyone else to see how good things can be.  Thats the numbers.  It's going to take the right number of voters in the right districts to get the right people in - and change the system.  I'm not saying Boston's Wyoming plan is or isn't the best idea for this, but you can't argue with the logic.  County by county is how you're going to win.  and to win the county, it's going to take a concentration of people to take 50.1% of the vote.  This will lead to a majority of the counties and then on to a state.  The movement is simply not big enough to support this in too many places - yet.

   So why Wyoming?  Why New Hampshire?  Why anywhere?  Well, again, because of the numbers.  Boston lays out his reasoning for Wyoming, and it's basically a two-fold attack.  One, Wyoming is culturally ripe for this kind of thing.  The mindset is already half - or more - there.  And two, because of the numbers alone, it's going to take less people to swing Crook County Wyoming than it is to swing somewhere like Prince George County, Maryland.  I don't know much about the FSP, because frankly the east coast does not appeal to me one bit, but I'm sure they're thinking along the same lines.  You yourself chose New Hampshire and talk about the "two choices."  Why aren't you moving to somewhere like Virginia or Maryland where the larger population would support your food service business?  Because frankly, the best organization (thus far) is in those two choices.  And maybe a smattering of others around the country (as I'm sure there are other freedom movements).  You are in Minnesota now - why not stay where you are established and fight the good fight there?

    Good luck to you as well sir.  It seems that we're brothers in liberty and share many of the same ideals, as do most people here.  But understand that one goal of both the FSW and FSP is to become a shining example for the rest of the country on what it means to be free.  And to be the best example we can we're going to need to get the ball rolling.  Yes, it will be concentrated, and you might not get the region of the country you really want.  But freedom is not free, and we must all make sacrifices for it.

Respectfully,
~Blaine

[Blaineus]

And Cato, thanks for stealing my thunder!   

Haha, just kidding, but you probably did say it better than I could.  And since it's technically your thread, that just makes sense. 

Take care everyone and have a wonderful and safe weekend!

~Blaine

[PorcupineSteve76]

Right on...I am glad this out there now...which, I will definately be posting up on the FSP site with the same remarks. Don't anyone get me wrong though, I have considered this kind of movement myself a long time ago, and unfortuntely, living in WA state as a 12/13 year old....lol.

In the whole sense though, I am aboslutely thrilled to know, that there is a another Free State movement out there besides New Hampshire. I am thinking we need one in the south and one in the Midwest now. Minnesota is out of the picture for now because of the hands of the Repubs and Dems are just too firm on what "is better" for this state. I'm thinking maybe Wisconsin??? Iowa??? Or maybe even North Dakota, but that is being a little close to the FSW.

What I did here, by construing a good conversation, nonetheless, just showed how a few people can be unified, just by saying something that COULD be taken out of context. I do stick by my guns, there are some in the FSP, that DO need to change their way of thinking, knowing New Hampshire shouldn't be the main focus but doing this regionally (my thought). Wyoming is an excellent choice and BTP couldn't have done it better, especially wth the writing of his book. New Hampshire is another place, yet, a little more of an uphill battle, but, nonetheless, an excellent choice. North Dakota, as I remember, was one of the other states, along with Alaska, Maine, Nevada and Oregon.

HERE IS THE CALL OUT (and Cato, feel free to talk about this on your show if you want), REACH the four corners, the movement is on!!!!!!!!!! I have started my own meet-up group in the Duluth area (and, some very good repsonses from it) and am getting the message out. I have had alot of people tell me they won't leave MN. So, what was another case of mine??? Wyoming, Oregon, Alaska, maybe even Wisconsin. The ears did perk though when they heard the movement and starting it in MN. Maybe it could be a fluke and they forgot, whatever the case, the movement is there. The numbers can be overcome, it's a matter of what message YOU are sending besides just talking to people who ARE in it. I am an activist, on both fronts. Soon, you will hear my name....lol.

On another note, I want to thank you ALL, especially BTP, Cato Craft and ALL of you for reading the post and responding. It's just a matter of time now before we ALL start making our moves and participating in some good ole activism. And Cato, those bumper stickers? I AM OUT AGAIN!!!!!!!!!! lol. I NEED MORE!!!! You all are doing a really great job there and wherever you are...I hope we all can become brothers and sisters in the move too freedom and liberty, and let the Libertarian Army REIGN FREE!!!!!!!!!!!!! PEACE!!!!!!!

Porcupine Steve

[Cato Craft]

And Cato, those bumper stickers?Huh I AM OUT AGAIN!!!!!!!!!! lol. I NEED MORE!!!!

Porcupine Steve,
Good points. I really believe that the Free State movement is our best chance to turn this country around, and I agree that the more states the better. Best wishes for your push in Duluth! Please keep me apprised of what you accomplish up there! I know we'll continue the cause after NH and WY.
Bumper Stickers? Just email me the mailing address and how many you want and I'll get 'em to you! Same to any of you on this BBS.
Thanks!
-Cato

RadioFreeLiberty@sbcglobal.net

[Boston]

Steve, Cato, Blaineus--thanks for your input on this.

I agree that the Free State movement is our best hope,
regardless of which state a relocator chooses.   

Meanwhile, the toeholds in NH and Wyoming are merely the
beginnings, but I still maintain that Wyoming generally makes
the most sense.  Every individual's mileage will vary, and I've
never had a cross word for those who pick elsewhere for
themselves. 

I wish all Free Staters success in wherever they land!

Boston

[Crispin]

Good Evening,

We live in a time that is well-suited to organizing like-minded individuals. Contemporary technology, particularly in terms of the internet, provides a wonderful platform for exchange of ideas and focusing assets. ?Free Staters? can use technology to very beneficial ends by simply starting to Communicate, Cooperate and Coordinate on a regular basis! Recruit from across the country and focus into specific areas (like Wyoming)...the spirit of Molon Labe!

Regards,
Crispin