My parents

[Atlas Shrug]

General advice for getting others thinking in the right direction.

First, make sure that you have read:
-Unintended Consequences
-Molon Labe
-Enemies Foreign and Domestic

Then, decide which book would sit well with whomever you are working on and give them a copy to read, perhaps with some explanation/stage setting.

Then follow up.

[MamaLiberty]

Laurel, the really weird thing is that I never really BELONGED in California. My parents moved there in 1945, the year before I was born, from Wisconsin. They were never happy with or part of the usual liberal, socialist thing. My father died when I was very young, and my mother was the greatest example one could want of someone who took personal responsibility for herself and refused to live off stolen goods. She was a libertarian, long before there was a Libertarian party, and she gave my sister and I a solid foundation in both non-aggression and integrity. She worked hard to raise us and never re-married.

Why in the world it took me almost 60 years to get out of California I'll never know, but my only regret is that I couldn't convince my two sons to come with me. They have the legacy of liberty, and understand what I'm talking about. They just have those entanglements with their own families and jobs that make them think they can't leave. I only hope it doesn't take another 20 or 30 years for them to understand where their priorities need to be.

I'm proud and happy to say that, at long last, I have truely come home... to Wyoming!

MamaLiberty

[laurel]

You know, that's what is funny about my folks - they were both from the Santa Cruz area, and left there about 20 years ago in order to escape the worst of the hippies/liberals/socialists/etc. They ended up in the Sierra foothills, in a more blue-collar area but still subject to the CA laws as a whole. I don't know why they didn't just keep headed up highway 50... right out of the state!

[Ron]

Everyone - - - Thanks for your support. Having just retired, this is the time when one should sit back and take it easy, but I am jealous of Zack to have made "friends" with like minded people. Traveling the world for the past 7 years, (my job) I did not get to 'really' get to know both of my children, but I'm looking forward to it iin the the FREE Word - Wyoming. By April, May 2007 is our anticipated date,  have a honey do list 7 years long, so I will be busy, hopefully not to exhausted to move. By then we'll have everything in storage, the house ready for sale, etc . . . . .
Ron.

[wyomiles]

Ron, glad to have you join us. So what kinds of things do you do in your free time ?  Hobbies etc.  Ever been to Wyoming ?      Miles

[SteveL]

Laurel, which part of the Sierra foothills? I used to live in  Butte/Yuba counties (gold rush area).

[Ron]

Hobbies, wood working - house remodeling - landscaping - more so - - fishing, I love to fish. In Illinois - well it is safer to stay indoors when hunting season is in full bloom - and once in a while, where we live, you get some Wisconsin ?hunter(s)? drifting down. Enough said - - - -

Been to Wyoming once. When Kath and I first married I was self employed as a machine designer, as such, time/clients were not to tolerant with late projects, therefore we put our honeymoon off for a later time. During the wait we both purchased motorcycles and decided to take a "trip". One of our stops was a very nice hotel in Cheyenne. Needless to say we were both covered with road grime so our appearance was less than desirable. The desk clerk told us, "sorry, we have no rooms available". However, another couple walked in and asked for and received a room (they looked 'clean'). I made a bit of a fuss, reluctantly they gave us a room (only after I offered them my AE corporate gold card).

We brought in our "duffel" bags, showered, dressed and came down for dinner. It was fun watching the expressions on the faces of those that initially refused us, Kath in a neatly pressed dress, myself in dress pants and sport coat. The following morning we paid, packed, and vowed to steer clear of the "Cowboys in Wyoming." I'm sure you can understand why,   at the time we felt they should have followed - -   "you can't judge a book by its cover."

I worked for an international company "moving equipment and jobs from the USA, globally".  Meeting and getting to know the various cultures was very interesting. Work ethic around the world is something to behold, we had the best, but I believe _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ enters into some of our problems. I'm old enough to "know" what it was like during WWII, Korea, and Nam, but things and people changed. I won't get into the, the philosophical reasons, or at least my take on it. Another time another place.

I hunted in southern Illinois with some friends MANY years ago, haven't been since, not that it wouldn't be enjoyable, no time, toooooo busy to have fun. I intend to make a difference now that I'm retired.

See y'all next year,

Ron

[ZackSkrip]

I hunted in southern Illinois with some friends MANY years ago, haven't been since, not that it wouldn't be enjoyable, no time, toooooo busy to have fun. I intend to make a difference now that I'm retired.

I didn't know you went hunting! I was just talking to a buddy today about how we should go hunting, or at the very least get some poles and go salmon fishing (he's sold on the fishing).

Heh, you learn something new about your parents every day. 

Zack

[laurel]

Laurel, which part of the Sierra foothills? I used to live in  Butte/Yuba counties (gold rush area).

Placerville, in El Dorado county. It was a pretty cool place to be until it became 50% tourist trap and 50% bedroom community for the Sacramento commuters. I DON'T LIKE CITY FOLK! (I'm talking about the city mindset, any folks here who are stuck in the city but planning on heading for WY don't count, 'cause you guys have... you know... BRAINS!)

Laurel

[Paul Bonneau]

It kind of makes me afraid to have children (moreso than I already am Grin) as I'm concerned about losing my will to fight for what I believe in.

Yeah, but Laurel, we also need kids! 

Ben Irvin, over on the W-A-L list, has been whacking libertarians for only having a birth rate of 1.6 or something. If we don't make more of ourselves there won't be anyone left except for a few Geritol guzzlers like me to fight the fight!

Actually, I don't guzzle Geritol - yet. 

You will not lose your will to fight. However it is natural to tone down and run under the radar in the child-rearing years. That is as it should be. After that, you're ready to roll again!