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Offline Freedom Lover

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« on: January 08, 2008, 01:03:42 PM »
Hey everyone. I'm new and have been checking out Wyoming. I would have posted this in the Women's section, but I don't think I am supposed to as I am not a member yet. I may have found deal-breaker  :'(. It seems that direct-entry midwifery (home birth) is ILLEGAL in Wyoming. This is a new development, since 2003. Funny that attended home birth is banned in a state with such a large rural area. It makes no sense.  I was then floored to find out that homeschoolers have to submit their curriculums to a local board of trustees for approval(!?) Is this true? Wyoming ain't as free as I thought! At least breastfeeding isn't considered indecent exposure. 

Any homeschoolers/homebirth adovates out there? Why did you move to Wyoming despite these nanny state laws and how hard would they be to change? Obviously some midwives still practice despite the risks of being jailed. Can you tell me if this is common?

Related video:
Wyoming midwife charge with manslaughter after a baby dies of group beta strep (a doctor would not be charged in a similar situation):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vK6jCMHH16A&feature=related

Offline gabby

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Re: Prospective Member
« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2008, 05:10:45 PM »

Yes, a homeschooler must send their curriculum and scope of instruction to the local district.  I would chuckle when we would get the letter back giving us "permission" to school the kids at home.  Now that our kids are older, they are in their first year of "gov" school and doing fine.  Homeschooling isn't for everyone, and my wife was starting to pull her hair out after 5 years.

The frustrating thing was that we saw kids at church who couldn't even read; their parents would let them cheat (sending in false tests and or letting them practice for their call in reading) or not even teach them.  Two of the kids that couldn't read were in fact the preacher's kids, yet mommy and daddy kept passing them onto the next grade.  Needless to say we left that church.
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Offline Daveasxx

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« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2008, 07:54:46 PM »
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I was then floored to find out that homeschoolers have to submit their curriculums to a local board of trustees for approval(!?) Is this true?

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Yes, a homeschooler must send their curriculum and scope of instruction to the local district.

Huh, We didn't.

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Offline socalserf

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Re: Prospective Member
« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2008, 12:20:42 AM »
Some what off topic. What are the chances Wyoming will adopt Vermont/Alaska, BoR style carry laws?

Offline Freedom Lover

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« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2008, 06:19:11 AM »
Good question. What are the chances of changing any law here? How corrupt is Cheyenne?

The vaccine laws are restrictive, too. In my current state I have more freedom to homeschool, not vaccinate my kids, give birth where I want and vote in my presidential primary.

I am going to have to think hard about Wyoming. Man, I am so disappointed! New Hampshire isn't any better! I'm sure I'll get over it, I just thought I was moving to more freedom, not less.

Yes, I have met homeschooled kids that do not have basic skills here as well. I don't think the irresponsibility of some parents, however, justifies government intrusion and regulation of our curriculums. With freedom comes responsibility.

Offline gabby

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« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2008, 06:30:35 AM »

The most recent corruption that I can recall is the smoking nazis that shut down smoking in private business locations.  I don't smoke, and I hate the stuff... but I vote with my feet and go where it is smoke free.  It really pisses me off when the city council tells private business owners what they can and cannot do.

The city council and Cheyenne LEADS are a bunch of bozos.
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Offline idahobob

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« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2008, 06:44:03 AM »
As for homeschooling, our children are all grown and do not live at home. The majority of grandchildren (6) live in the PRK.

Our daughter home schools 'em. No reports to the state (at this time) or anything like that. The quality of education surpasses what I received in the Gov. schools starting 50 or so odd years ago. They are also socially "well adjusted".

Vaccinations? If the "state" feels that they have the say so on poisoning our precious children, then I say to hell with them.

The state that we currently live in does not have the aforementioned restrictions brought up by Freedom Lover.

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Offline Paul Bonneau

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« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2008, 06:42:20 PM »
Homeschooling curriculum? There is always the "noncompliant" option, a long tradition in the homeschooling community (homeschooling got its start from parents breaking laws). Supposedly compliance is pretty pro-forma; I've never heard of anyone not being approved. In fact I'm not sure disaproval is even possible. I believe the real reason for having to submit curriculum is to bow to the power of the educrats.  ::)

As to homeschooling kids not reading, anyone who is homeschooling ought to be aware of the "unschooling" philosophy. I've read many times of parents who didn't push their kids to read. They might have one daughter reading at age 5, while (usually) a son might not read at age 10. Revisit two years later, both read equally well (the son finally realizing he needs it for the things that interest him). I'm not personally up to complete unschooling but I understand it works...

Midwifery? Try a search; I recall some discussion of this issue. Don't recall the details though.

Alaska carry laws? Last year such a law (with a fairly lame imprementation in my opinion) got through the Wyoming House with a healthy majority but ran out of time (I guess) in the Senate. Such is fairly common because Wyoming has extremely short sessions: 20 days in even years and 40 days in odd years (or vice versa). I believe Alaska carry is going to be part of the state GOP platform (we passed that in the Park Co. GOP anyway). It is fairly likely to happen soon. The restrictions on where carry is possible may also be removed. Note that carry violations are misdemeanors, and it seems most Wyoming cops don't get a hernia about guns, so it ain't a big deal to get caught.

Wyoming, like all other states, is not free. More and more liberty-harming laws get passed all the time, again just like other states. I am convinced this is a structural feature of representative democracy. So yeah, the legislature sucks, and the governor sucks too. But the Wyoming people are overall more freedom-loving than most, in my opinion.
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