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Re: When freedom advocates will no longer be welcome
« Reply #15 on: May 28, 2008, 11:47:11 AM »
well, I am in an interesting position. I live in Natrona county.  A socialist bastion on the rise if I've ever seen one.  My father and I have recently put our property up for sale with the intent of moving to weston county to join the free staters.  Unfortunately the free staters dont have a sign up position for those already in WY.  Anywho, for the purposes of getting majority thosde who emigrate after the fal migfht still be of some benefit. 

So, ckumelos, what, specifically, is it about Natrona county that makes it a 'social bastion on the rise'?  Just interested in understanding the trend(s).   
Please advise.

edit: remove ref to niobrara... dummy me.
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Re: When freedom advocates will no longer be welcome
« Reply #16 on: May 28, 2008, 11:00:33 PM »
An interesting thread. Makes sense in a lot of ways. Personally I am hoping to move in the 2-3 month time frame hopefully that won't be too late.


I am also curious why Natrona county is a socialist bastion on the rise.  ??? I sure hope not because thats probably where i will end up at least to start out.

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Re: When freedom advocates will no longer be welcome
« Reply #17 on: May 28, 2008, 11:58:46 PM »
I sure dont know what he means by that. Most the people I have met in Natrona, are right-minded folk. Unfortunately, there are alot of "social services" available in casper...which is understandable...but thats because WYOMING still has these programs, and of coruse they are located in heavier population centers of WY. But Casper is no Cheyenne or Jackson.
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Re: When freedom advocates will no longer be welcome
« Reply #18 on: May 29, 2008, 06:48:52 PM »
well, I am in an interesting position. I live in Natrona county.  A socialist bastion on the rise if I've ever seen one.

Hmmm....we're leaning quite heavily toward Casper, but that just threw up a huge red flag (circumstancial pun not entirely unintended). You can count me amongst the enquiring minds that "wanna know"!
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Re: When freedom advocates will no longer be welcome
« Reply #19 on: May 30, 2008, 01:53:53 PM »
Thanks.  my pledge is made.  I hope I am of the ethical character to make a contribution to your organization.  And I'll start using a spellchecker.  ;)
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Re: When freedom advocates will no longer be welcome
« Reply #20 on: May 30, 2008, 04:42:49 PM »
I guess I should use the word facist (but it is such an ill-understood term).  Just more and more laws being placed on the books, more and more enforcement, more government interference in our lives.  My neighbor was harassed by the county for putting up a horse shed without a permit (we're in the county so horses are permitted).  They are proposing a law that if you do not carry proof of insurance in your car, they are going to impound the car.  (that is not "Have insurance"- that is "carry proof in the car".  A person who has been fighting the smoking ban law tells me that it is going to pass very soon becasue sooo many people just dont get freedom - he BTW owns a non-smoking office building by choice.  It's just that Natrona County is following suit to institute more and more laws to "protect" the public.  The list of course goes on and on, with many proposals not being passed, but many are.  With all the new California people coming in................
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Re: When freedom advocates will no longer be welcome
« Reply #21 on: May 30, 2008, 04:57:14 PM »
To put my reactions into some perspective.  My great grandfather lived in WYoming when the income tax was instituted and he told the IRS to **&&* *** if you know what I mean.  This mentality has been passed through the generations.  A grandfather from a different line was a state senator who tried to call for a constitution convention becasue he saw the states rights given by the bill of rights being usurped.  My father has raised me libertarian.  I've had ingrained in me my whole life that the state should just not make personal decisions, so when I see even small amounts of freedoms being taken away, I am very sensitive to it. 

I lived in Brooklyn and Los Angeles for 8 years so I know what is there, and I just see a very sharp curve that we are headed in the same direction.
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Re: When freedom advocates will no longer be welcome
« Reply #22 on: May 30, 2008, 05:45:56 PM »
It seems as cities grow, reliance on gov't to keep folks 'in line' is a natural phenomena.  I've seen it in the several states I've lived in.

Smaller towns seem to have, for the most part, folks that are willing to work with neighbors to settle differences without resorting to freedom reducing government ordinances, regs or just plain harassment if you don't 'toe the line'.

With our society at large becoming more and more socialist, it's not surprising to see the advent of 'government solutions' rise in proportion to the drop in folks relinquishing responsibility to take care of things themselves.

Freedom requires constant vigilance and effort.  Don't let government entities shove you around.  Now, to be clear, I'm not advocating a physical response but I am advocating getting involved and pushing back.  It doesn't work every time the way you might like, but I have seen it work more than once. 

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Getting involved worked recently in our local county here in this Midwest agricultural community where a group of us pushed back on livestock ordinances that would have caused real problems.  The exact details are unimportant and to lengthy for this illustration.  From a proposed, far reaching concept of an ordinance patterned after Boulder Co (of all places) to ZERO ordinance.  Yes, ZERO.  The committee is finalizing documentation to prove that nothing will be required in the foreseeable future.  The Commissioners are already in agreement.  Another victory.  A few hours of our time over several months, -was it worth it?  A resounding YES.

If we had just sat back, grumbled and complained, and NOT gotten involved, we would have had a very nasty ordinance that would have required hiring more county employees to enforce it and of course, who pays for that?  Yup, more taxes and a bigger bureaucracy.  When we dug in, we found two complainants at the root of the whole thing.  Once that was uncovered, we went to work with added vigor to STOP the ordinance from even being written.

I mention this to reinforce the fact that we don't live in a static world.  The forces of change are about us, -always.  It's up to each of us to do our little part to make sure the forces of freedom overcome the forces of socialism. 

Just moving and hoping won't get it done.  Standing and fighting will.  And if all avenues are exhausted, well, you've done your best and then alternatives become considerations.  Where this line is drawn is certainly an individual decision to be respected.  Such are the tenets of respect with regard to others.

My comments are general in nature and are certainly not directed at any individual.

Once we make the move to WY, I don't expect to just sit back and believe all to right as rain as far as freedom and liberty are concerned.  Yup, as unpleasant as it is at times, I'll have to get involved to some degree in an effort to not just retain freedom, but see it grow while putting a fence around socialism with hopes of extinguishing it like the destructive fire that it is.  What other way is there?  :) ~W~
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Re: When freedom advocates will no longer be welcome
« Reply #23 on: May 31, 2008, 01:42:53 AM »
Well, there are quite a bit of Hillary signs in Casper if that's any indication. ;D
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Re: When freedom advocates will no longer be welcome
« Reply #24 on: June 07, 2008, 08:16:55 PM »
The only ones who know what the future holds are those with plans, and they fall on both sides of the fence. Those who are prepared don't care what the future holds because they are confident that they will prevail.