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Offline conan-the-librarian

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Any need for Computer Forensics?
« on: December 16, 2008, 12:57:56 PM »
Good Day All,

I am a like minded individual that feels fairly at home with most of the principles espoused within this forum. I had already planned to move from CO (getting a little Kalifornicated for my taste) upon my retirement. I had been planning either ID, MT or WY until finding out about the FSP for WY decided me that WY was the place.

Although I am a competent hobby gunsmith, machinist and welder, my real skills are in Computer Forensics. I am not bragging when I say that my skills are probably within the top 10 in the world- esp in Network Forensics. In fact, I have taught several "Three Letter Agencies" who are not exactly on the most loved list of our group.

My questions to my fellow members are this:

1. Is there any need in WY for my very narrow professional expertise?
2. May I help the group on a pro-bono basis prior to my physical move?

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Re: Any need for Computer Forensics?
« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2008, 01:25:03 PM »
Welcome! The possibilities in Wyoming are pretty wide open.

But, pardon an old lady asking, but what the heck is "computer forensics?" :)
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Re: Any need for Computer Forensics?
« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2008, 02:09:48 PM »
Thank you, ma'am, for your reply.

Computer Forensics is best explained via an example:

Let's say that you are a Law Enforcement Officer (LEO) and you are called into the scene of a shooting. At the scene, some guy is facedown on the ground, bled out, with blood soaked into his shirt. Beside him is a 1911A1, hammer back, with three 45ACP shell cases laying about. There are several witnesses gathered at the scene. Many of them are pointing to one other man and saying "He did it!". The accused man loudly procaims he had nothing to do with it. He says that there was another man, who shot the victim and then fled. As the LEO, you take statements from all persons present, and since there are several good citizens pointing to the accused, you take him into custody until the matter is worked out.

Now come the forensics:
1. Autopsy the victim. Did he die of Gun Shot Wounds (GSW)? Can you recover slugs from his body? Any powder burns? What was the angle of the shot? The distance? Does he have Gun Shot Residue (GSR) on his hands? Who is he? Any DNA records of him in the national db? Prints?
2. Test the firearm. Do test slugs match the slugs recovered from the victim? Does the spent brass match the chamber and slide backstop? Are there any remaining unfired rounds in the mag? Do they match? Who owns the firearm? Is there a record of manufacturor test slugs? Do they match? Fingerprints on the rounds, firearm and magazine? Who do they match?
3. Lots more, esp about the scene and the accused, but you get the idea.

Now let's do the same for a computer crime.

Someone hacks into Boston's web site. They create an account on that server and begin to send threatening mail to the President Elect. It appears that Boston is now threatening the new President. It is obvious from network transmission records that the threats came from Boston's computer. He is arrested and prosecution begins.

The Forensics
1. Image (take a digital copy of the hard drive) the hacked server. We never work on original media since merely touching that media contaminates it- sort of like picking up the firearm and shooting it a couple times!
2. Take a memory (RAM) image. This allows us to see any live IP connections that may be used to "backdoor" control Bostons machine- making it merely appear as if Boston was the bad guy.
3. Take any copies of network traffic recordings (trace files or pcaps) that recorded network activity during the time of the incident. This allows us to replay the crime- sort of like a VCR records video.
4. Examine local logs and remote routing logs. This does the same as #3 above.
5. Examine witnesses. Verify whereabouts, etc.
6. If there are leads that point to a member of Rom Emanuel's staff, perform the same forensic exam on that person's computer, looking for artifacts and matches.

So... In a nutshell, computers are often used in criminal enterprise. Just like the firearm in our shooting example, the computer has what is called "artifacts" that once analyzed, allow us to reconstruct what happened. That discipline is called Computer Forensics.

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Re: Any need for Computer Forensics?
« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2008, 02:48:08 PM »
Thanks! I understand medical forensics (I'm a retired RN) and criminal forensics fairly well, though I never was involved in either one, just couldn't think what computer forensics would be.

Seems to me that good security and encryption would be much better than trying to unravel something like that after the fact, but I can see where it would be necessary sometimes.

I have no idea how much of that would be available to you in Wyoming, but would hazard a guess: not much. Can you do that remotely? Or do you have to go to where the suspect hard drive, etc. is located?

In order for a crime to be committed, one must have motive, intent, opportunity and means to carry it out. (At least that used to be the definition before thought crimes came along.)

Seems like a lot of that would be hard to prove (or disprove) from a computer, but I know little about it. :)

You'd do a lot better with gunsmithing! I have to travel clear in to Spearfish now and sure would love to have someone close to home. :)
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Re: Any need for Computer Forensics?
« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2008, 03:44:51 PM »
Kind of thought so with the gunsmithing thing. I am slowly bringing my blacksmith/machining/gunsmithing shop into prime condition.

Kind of hard to give up the forensics salary, though. Being a gunsmith would mean an 80% or more drop in income. Ouch. Can't buy the land or afford a move without the salary. I guess I'll have to stay in CO for a while.

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Re: Any need for Computer Forensics?
« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2008, 04:45:31 PM »
Do you have to travel for this forensics thing or do you stay home for it? If you travel, you might as well travel from here. If you stay home, Wyoming might as well be home! :)

If you have to go to some office each day to do the forensics thing (yuk!), you might think about some of the many other kinds of work available here in Wyoming and look into some of them. Gunsmithing makes a dandy hobby, but probably not going to make you rich - at least not until things get really dicy.

You can make a darn good living as a machinist or welder here. Those jobs are paying premium wages, but going begging all over this state.

Consider making a trip up to visit and check it out. I think you'll be surprised. :)
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Re: Any need for Computer Forensics?
« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2008, 06:00:00 PM »
Thanks Mama.

I mix travel with home lab now. When I have a large enough stash to retire, the gunsmithing and machining will be plenty of income. That point is a minimum of 4 years from Jan 09 to a max of 10 years from then.

I was mostly looking for a way I could help the movement while I was still here in CO. Please pass the word to anyone fighting the feds that has a computer component. Since I have been acting as big brother to the feds for the last 10 years pro bono, I may be able to use some political capital to help someone in need.




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Re: Any need for Computer Forensics?
« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2008, 05:44:22 AM »
Thanks! I have never heard of anyone who had a problem with their computer, though my web site was hacked once - big mess, but my tech editor fixed it and set up security so it might not be a problem again...

We'll see.

But I wouldn't count on staying in californicated Colorado that long myself. Getting to be too much like occupied territory. I don't ever intend to travel to Colorado again. :(

The night cometh... don't get stuck all alone in the dark. :)
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Re: Any need for Computer Forensics?
« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2008, 05:46:17 AM »
I'll have to agree with Mama. You'll do real well here if yer any good as a machinist/welder.

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Re: Any need for Computer Forensics?
« Reply #9 on: December 17, 2008, 06:07:36 PM »
Conan,
   From what little I know about the state-wide economy in WY (next to nothing, actually, don't even live there...yet)  perhaps you could expand, or re-route your frame of productive mindfulness into data mining, logistics, general IT/network administration, maybe even website design? I'm just shooting in the dark here, but I'd think that those are more suited to the private sector, and given that WY isn't necessarily a hotbed for three-letter agencies (relatively speaking), your prospects of landing work in "techie" fields would be upon lower planes of computing consciousness.

Jared passed along this company to me, said they were hiring: http://www.k2technologies.net/

Would you be game for the general IT-type work?
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Re: Any need for Computer Forensics?
« Reply #10 on: December 17, 2008, 08:21:00 PM »
Addendum: the fields I mentioned are proposed on the assumptive basis that you're looking for a position at a company actually rooted in WY. Hell, you could work from home and beam in to any network, anywhere. Yeah I know, "thanks for the keen insight, Yoda..."  ;)
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Re: Any need for Computer Forensics?
« Reply #11 on: December 18, 2008, 07:57:05 AM »
Howdy Conan-TL. Glad you found us. I have no idea if your services are used in Wyoming or not, but sounds like they should be. I didn't know there was such a trade.
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