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Hello from Upstate New York
« on: January 25, 2010, 11:14:20 PM »
Hello, everyone!

I'm a freelance writer, mother, and housewife (not necessarily in that order) who is currently living in a teeny tiny hamlet in upstate New York, a few hours north of the Citadel City. Although the gun culture up here is fairly strong and hunting is an entrenched way of life, NY still has draconian handgun laws and of course you'd better not go anywhere near one of the cities with a firearm. You even need a permit to buy pepper spray in NYC, and you can only buy it from a licensed "dealer" at a pharmacy or department store.

I'm sure many of you already know all about it.

Hoplophobia aside, this state also has horrendously high taxes, ridiculous Nanny State legislation, and the various other trappings of quasi-socialistic fascism that make my skin crawl. Due to the nature of my husband's career, he has to travel frequently to either Los Angeles or NYC (Did I mention we moved to NY from LA? I'm no stranger to living in Hell.) so I've felt stuck. However, after a lot of discussion we've figured out that because of all the travel he already does, we could make our permanent home in beautiful Wyoming and he could open a small office in one of those two cities and we wouldn't see him any less than we already do.

So I'm contemplating moving to Wyoming, a state I've never even visited, alone, with a toddler. I have no family or friends there and won't know a soul. I'm planning to homeschool and I'll be on my own most of the time. And yet, I'm oddly okay with it all. The thought of living in a place where we're not outnumbered 500:1 by willing slaves and other coercive statists makes my heart sing. The truth is, although I currently live in the country, I feel very crowded, stepped on, and oppressed. Two days after we moved into this house, our new neighbors down the road rang the doorbell armed with pamphlets and fliers to try and convince us to register locally so we could vote for a certain town councilman. This man, if you can call him that, promised to institute strict zoning laws and grandfather them in so that my affluent neighbor and his friends would be able to remove "tacky gravel mining operations" (my neighbor's words) and small-time farmers. When I told the neighbor that I'd never voted in my entire life, but that I did once send a campaign donation to Ron Paul, he looked at me like I had horns. I suppose, to him, I do.

These are the rugged, individualists I'm surrounded by in rural New York.

My husband and I are planning to visit Wyoming on a fact-finding mission this summer. We hope to fly into the state, rent a car, and drive around for a week, checking out various places along the way. High on my list are Sundance (well, really all of Crook County) and Sheridan, but I'm hoping to see as much as possible before I commit.

Anyway, this is getting long but I just wanted to sort of introduce myself and say hello. I've read a few of Boston's books, including Molon Labe!, and agree with him that Wyoming can offer, if not true freedom, at least the most reasonable facsimile we can find on the planet today. I hope to see you all there sooner than later.
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Re: Hello from Upstate New York
« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2010, 06:59:44 AM »
Welcome! It's wonderful to hear from you! You sound like our kind of people. :)

Please do plan to visit me here in Newcastle. We'll call the clan, so you can meet others nearby. We're about 50 miles from Sundance, and you might have a much better chance of finding a place here compared to there. Worth looking anyway.

Please do read as much as you can here at the forum, but if you have questions feel free to ask. I'd be delighted to talk to you anytime in email or private message. I'm a widow, and moved here from California, alone, in '05. It was the best thing I ever did for myself. Can't wait to meet you!
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Re: Hello from Upstate New York
« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2010, 07:58:51 AM »
Thank you for the warm welcome, MamaLiberty! I'll definitely let you know when we're headed out that way. My husband isn't quite as passionate about this as I am, but he's intrigued by the idea of such a business-friendly climate and the wildness of Wyoming.

Since I can't say for certain that we're going to do this until we visit this summer, I won't be able to submit a statement of intent for at least a few months, but I'm already with you there in spirit. I can't wait! :)
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Re: Hello from Upstate New York
« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2010, 09:18:55 AM »
Yes! Welcome!
I live in Crook County near Devil's Tower. The first national monument. Lots of trees up here. Part of the Black Hills that spill over from SD.

Lots of wide open spaces out here. We have NO zoning laws in the county. No "land use". I have no CC&Rs on my land. Yeah, somebody might just start a "pig farm" or "auto wrecker" next door, but that's the chance I'll take. Those are the two boogey men of the statists, right?

No gun permits required here to open carry. No local gun laws. Banned by the state constitution as far as I know

Perhaps you'd like to plan to come to the summer get together in June? That would be great!

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Re: Hello from Upstate New York
« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2010, 09:42:33 AM »


   June is our annual Jam here in Weston County out by Osage Wyo. about 20 mi. west of Newcastle. There are several of us here in Newcastle and we are usually willing to put people up for awhile and just chew the rag, have some coffee, beer or whatever you may prefer and get to know each other as well as possible. We welcome new folks such as you sound to be who have a freedom and liberty minded bent.

   If you do come at this time bring your gun, there is a range out to 600 yds. so far, maybe more by now, you never know what Rich has developed by now.

   But really,,,,,,,,,,,get the hell outta there ASAP.
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Re: Hello from Upstate New York
« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2010, 11:00:24 AM »
Yes! Welcome!
I live in Crook County near Devil's Tower. The first national monument. Lots of trees up here. Part of the Black Hills that spill over from SD.

Lots of wide open spaces out here. We have NO zoning laws in the county. No "land use". I have no CC&Rs on my land. Yeah, somebody might just start a "pig farm" or "auto wrecker" next door, but that's the chance I'll take. Those are the two boogey men of the statists, right?

No gun permits required here to open carry. No local gun laws. Banned by the state constitution as far as I know

Perhaps you'd like to plan to come to the summer get together in June? That would be great!

Mac

Hello, Mac, and thank you for the welcome! The statists always have an excuse, don't they? But it always boils down to control. They screech about freedom and tolerance while stomping on the necks of people they don't want to tolerate. Ugh. Hey, if a pig farm or auto wrecker moves in next door, maybe you can start bartering for cheap pork or auto parts...  >:D

Wyoming's gun freedom is one of its most appealing features, in my opinion. After all, what are rights without the ability to defend them? Self-defense is the right that matters most, because without it there is no guarantee of any of the others. Just my $0.02. Oh, by the way, did you all see this? Looks like freedom might be spreading. 8)

I don't know about the get-together in June--I'll read more about it. If I can arrange it, we'll be there. I'd love to finally meet some like minds! I probably don't have to tell you all how isolating it is to live in a slave state with a mindset like mine. I feel like an alien.



   June is our annual Jam here in Weston County out by Osage Wyo. about 20 mi. west of Newcastle. There are several of us here in Newcastle and we are usually willing to put people up for awhile and just chew the rag, have some coffee, beer or whatever you may prefer and get to know each other as well as possible. We welcome new folks such as you sound to be who have a freedom and liberty minded bent.

   If you do come at this time bring your gun, there is a range out to 600 yds. so far, maybe more by now, you never know what Rich has developed by now.

   But really,,,,,,,,,,,get the hell outta there ASAP.

Hi, Jubal, and thanks for the information and welcome! I'll definitely see what I can do about June. And right now I'm going to sheepishly (no pun intended) admit that I'm a total gun newbie, so I have no idea what I would even do on a 600-yard range. However my birthday is coming up and I'm getting weekly shooting lessons and a new shotgun (and hopefully a rifle or two, eventually) to celebrate. No plans to get pistols here, because I absolutely refuse to jump through the registration/permit hoops, but at least I can learn how to safely and effectively use them until I can get to a place where I can have my own. Wish me luck!

Yeah, getting out of here is priority #1. I can't stand it here and I certainly don't want to raise my children in this cesspool. Don't get me wrong--the terrain is gorgeous and I love the weather here. But the rest of it is just...intolerable. It's time to move to where the grownups are. :D
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Re: Hello from Upstate New York
« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2010, 06:02:41 PM »


   Everybodys gotta be a newbie at everything. Don't sweat it..........Just c'mon out, bring yer shootin iron. But mostly,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Get outta there.
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Re: Hello from Upstate New York
« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2010, 06:05:31 PM »


   Terrain?? Wyoming has lotsa that
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Re: Hello from Upstate New York
« Reply #8 on: January 27, 2010, 06:48:27 AM »
We also have lots of "weather." Probably nicer than upstate New York too!
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Re: Hello from Upstate New York
« Reply #9 on: January 27, 2010, 10:40:15 AM »
DW,
I read that link about the Firearms Freedom Acts in other states.
There is currently a bill in the Wyoming house that will do just that!
I've contacted both my state rep and state senator about it. They BOTH have replied and BOTH will support it!

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Re: Hello from Upstate New York
« Reply #10 on: January 27, 2010, 11:47:01 AM »
DW,
I read that link about the Firearms Freedom Acts in other states.
There is currently a bill in the Wyoming house that will do just that!
I've contacted both my state rep and state senator about it. They BOTH have replied and BOTH will support it!

Mac

That's fantastic news, Mac! It's always so disheartening to hear about a great piece of legislation (and the only good legislation, in my opinion, is the kind that repeals or blocks worse legislation) getting shot down instead of passed. I'm glad Wyoming is headed toward sanity and away from statism. :)
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Re: Hello from Upstate New York
« Reply #11 on: January 27, 2010, 12:11:53 PM »
Welcome to FSW dreamingwest. I and my ladyfriend live in Laramie. She has a grown son and I have a 5 year old so we know about toddlers. You'd be more than welcome here to look around. Do you ski?

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Re: Hello from Upstate New York
« Reply #12 on: January 27, 2010, 12:50:25 PM »
Howdy dreamingwest, the June get together would be the best time to get together with the most FSW folks. I think you will find that you do not have to worry about being alone, without freinds. The people here will help you out in any way you need.
I have a thread about traveling Wyoming , for those who have never been here. Might help?

http://www.fundamentalsoffreedom.com/fswforum/index.php?topic=1929.new#new
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Re: Hello from Upstate New York
« Reply #13 on: January 27, 2010, 01:02:44 PM »
Welcome to FSW dreamingwest. I and my ladyfriend live in Laramie. She has a grown son and I have a 5 year old so we know about toddlers. You'd be more than welcome here to look around. Do you ski?

Thanks, biathlon! I'm excited to meet other parents out there, especially since we plan to homeschool all the way.

I skied a lot as a kid (we usually went to Crested Butte and Breckenridge in CO) but I do get awful mountain sickness and have to spend the first couple days in the lodge, sipping cocoa by the fire and getting used to it. After that I'm golden though. My husband loves to ski, which has really helped me get him to even entertain the idea of this move. :)
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Re: Hello from Upstate New York
« Reply #14 on: January 27, 2010, 01:06:27 PM »
Howdy dreamingwest, the June get together would be the best time to get together with the most FSW folks. I think you will find that you do not have to worry about being alone, without freinds. The people here will help you out in any way you need.
I have a thread about traveling Wyoming , for those who have never been here. Might help?

http://www.fundamentalsoffreedom.com/fswforum/index.php?topic=1929.new#new

Hi, wyomiles--

I'm working on the June trip. Looks like we would want to fly into Billings and rent a car there, and then drive down into Wyoming for our tour of the state.

Thank you so much for posting that information; I've been looking for something like that! The Wyoming tourism sites have road trip itineraries but it's always good to get better information from someone local. I'm going to print the thread out and go over it with a highlighter later on. Thanks again!
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