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Offline Dennis Wilson

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Re: The American Redoubt -- Move to the Mountain States
« Reply #30 on: March 09, 2012, 10:37:32 PM »
...maybe the US Constitution shouldn't be my Bible !!

 :D Amen.... (OMG!  I can't believe I really said that.... :o )

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Re: The American Redoubt -- Move to the Mountain States
« Reply #31 on: March 09, 2012, 11:42:49 PM »
. . .  I may have to change my little slogan below, after some more research, of course.  FREEDOM is still my religion, but maybe the US Constitution shouldn't be my Bible !!

I like your style and felt the same way after reading Boston's HOL.  It occurs to me after reading your post that
the capacity for reviewing and reintegrating long-held beliefs is more likely to shown by those who are freedom oriented.

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Re: The American Redoubt -- Move to the Mountain States
« Reply #32 on: March 10, 2012, 03:17:01 AM »
Two interesting comments from that post on the Arctic Patriot blog:

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Been watching this trend the last few years, talking to junior guys (first hitch) about their training; and peacekeeping operations within US has become a recurring topic, and they are trained that they will do it.

So what to us older folks is repugnant, has been made a certainty. This new mission suddenly appeared (with twisted legal justifications) a few years ago, and the new guys buy into what they are told, by and large.

Asking about army role during Katrina leads to many young guys explaining 'that most people don't understand' ...., and they lay out the same set of justifications they have been briefed on, and how they've been told they will be needed for this role in the future. One is a fluke. 200 is a sudden onset of a trend. Both army and marine corps? That's planning.

Based on the folks I talk to and their reactions, I would estimate that 85% of junior DoD goes against FreeFor. Years ago- It would have been reversed. But now it is trained. The culture of the junior guys is being driven from 'fighting for freedom' to 'fighting as apparatchicks in support of the regime'.



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Two thoughts on the strategic level.

First, if a group of people want to actually secede, they need to think not just about terrain in regards to tactics, but the value of land they have and what the value is of it to their opponents. At the heart of 'American Redoubt' in Montana is one of America's largest and most strategic nuclear missile silo complexes. Do you think that this country, or any other country like China or Russia, would allow a bunch of 'patriots' to secede with such an asset? It would go ugly early, and if they had to they would simply bomb, gas, or shake and bake all the redoubters and take back the region around such facilities. If this government wasn't up to the task, they would likely call in China, Russia, the UN, or whomever to help (think about what they are doing now overseas and extrapolate...). Doing war in the US will be very handy for the government as aircraft from local bases can just sortie from home, maybe with the use of a tanker or two, and still have dinner with their families. Posse comitatus wold not apply, it was rescinded anyway in the 2007 defense authorization act.
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Re: The American Redoubt -- Move to the Mountain States
« Reply #33 on: March 10, 2012, 07:14:39 PM »
Two interesting comments from that post on the Arctic Patriot blog:

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Been watching this trend the last few years, talking to junior guys (first hitch) about their training; and peacekeeping operations within US has become a recurring topic, and they are trained that they will do it.

So what to us older folks is repugnant, has been made a certainty. This new mission suddenly appeared (with twisted legal justifications) a few years ago, and the new guys buy into what they are told, by and large.

Asking about army role during Katrina leads to many young guys explaining 'that most people don't understand' ...., and they lay out the same set of justifications they have been briefed on, and how they've been told they will be needed for this role in the future. One is a fluke. 200 is a sudden onset of a trend. Both army and marine corps? That's planning.

Based on the folks I talk to and their reactions, I would estimate that 85% of junior DoD goes against FreeFor. Years ago- It would have been reversed. But now it is trained. The culture of the junior guys is being driven from 'fighting for freedom' to 'fighting as apparatchicks in support of the regime'.

85% is way high from the results of the 29-palms questionnaire. Not to take away from the core truth of this guy's comment: That  it's
surprisingly quick, generation-wise, to get guys (Americans) hypnotized into zombiehood.

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Two thoughts on the strategic level.

First, if a group of people want to actually secede, they need to think not just about terrain in regards to tactics, but the value of land they have and what the value is of it to their opponents. At the heart of 'American Redoubt' in Montana is one of America's largest and most strategic nuclear missile silo complexes. Do you think that this country, or any other country like China or Russia, would allow a bunch of 'patriots' to secede with such an asset? It would go ugly early, and if they had to they would simply bomb, gas, or shake and bake all the redoubters and take back the region around such facilities. If this government wasn't up to the task, they would likely call in China, Russia, the UN, or whomever to help (think about what they are doing now overseas and extrapolate...). Doing war in the US will be very handy for the government as aircraft from local bases can just sortie from home, maybe with the use of a tanker or two, and still have dinner with their families. Posse comitatus wold not apply, it was rescinded anyway in the 2007 defense authorization act.

The land is extremely valuable.  What is your take on your above quote, AT?

Terence

« Last Edit: March 10, 2012, 07:21:37 PM by Terence »
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Re: The American Redoubt -- Move to the Mountain States
« Reply #34 on: March 10, 2012, 07:35:30 PM »
Terence I personally have to agree with the second quote I posted...while the land itself is valuable what with the various resources and space to move a growing population into....I think in the U.S. .gov thugs eyes, the most valuable part is the nuclear missile silos....if it comes down to a war of secession, they will try their damned hardest to get the armed forces to fight tooth and nail to maintain hold of those nuclear missile silos, and if they lose control, to recapture them. I have no problem believing if they were to lose control of the silos they would unleash something like VX or Sarin on the area to clear out of "insurgents" and wait until the nerve gas breaks down due to the weather before moving right back in. Some may call me paranoid or a crazy for believing that but when you've seen as much of my peers-in-age-only as I have, and humanity in general, you tend to get pretty damn cynical and misanthropic very quickly. I mention my peers-in-age-only due to the fact that THEY will be the solider the U.S. gov't will be using...the old geezers (no offense) would refuse to go against their morals in most cases...the new guys however....can easily be brainwashed into following any orders that come down from above like bugs....and doing anything that will help prevent the gov't from losing control of the "Vaterland"

It's sad really. So many people my age have had their anti-authoritarianism crushed, and pushed to be mindless sheeple from a variety of sources.
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Re: The American Redoubt -- Move to the Mountain States
« Reply #35 on: March 10, 2012, 08:19:28 PM »
Terence I personally have to agree with the second quote I posted...while the land itself is valuable what with the various resources and space to move a growing population into....I think in the U.S. .gov thugs eyes, the most valuable part is the nuclear missile silos....if it comes down to a war of secession, they will try their damned hardest to get the armed forces to fight tooth and nail to maintain hold of those nuclear missile silos, and if they lose control, to recapture them. I have no problem believing if they were to lose control of the silos they would unleash something like VX or Sarin on the area to clear out of "insurgents" and wait until the nerve gas breaks down due to the weather before moving right back in. Some may call me paranoid or a crazy for believing that but when you've seen as much of my peers-in-age-only as I have, and humanity in general, you tend to get pretty damn cynical and misanthropic very quickly. I mention my peers-in-age-only due to the fact that THEY will be the solider the U.S. gov't will be using...the old geezers (no offense) would refuse to go against their morals in most cases...the new guys however....can easily be brainwashed into following any orders that come down from above like bugs....and doing anything that will help prevent the gov't from losing control of the "Vaterland"

It's sad really. So many people my age have had their anti-authoritarianism crushed, and pushed to be mindless sheeple from a variety of sources.

Thanks for a thorough and complete answer, AT. Accepting your view that people your age have been crushed so, yes, it
is sad. I'm glad to hear your untainted answer before this particular 'geezer' reacts to the same quote.

There's a Tokyo Rose vibe to the second quote you posted. Though I don't doubt the speakers' sincerity there's a kind of "RESISTANCE IS FUTILE"
thrust to it. The people who choose to be in the mountain states are the least likely to be uninformed on any given aspect
of their choice. By definition they have everything at stake. The fact, form, timing, mask of their resistance/non-resistance is
unknowable.

Terence
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Re: The American Redoubt -- Move to the Mountain States
« Reply #36 on: March 11, 2012, 08:11:36 AM »
About the missle silos. There are just as many silos in Wyoming as in montana.There are many silos. but few missles and even fewer warheads for the missles. The airforce plays a constant game of russian roulett, moving warhead from missle to missle and missles from silo to silo. There could be as few as 50 missles left in 150 of the 450 silos today scattered throughout Wyoming. Montana, Colorado and Nebraska, south dakota and north dakota. The land based missles today are our immidiate response force. The majority of our missles are sub launched and cruise missles.

If a state should leave the union it would take a very short amount of time for the Air Force to retrive the warheads. It is a non issue

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Re: The American Redoubt -- Move to the Mountain States
« Reply #37 on: March 11, 2012, 09:36:46 AM »
Thank you for that bit of info Crappiewy....however 50 nuclear warheads is STILL a lot of firepower...and the the U.S. .gov thugs would still fight tooth and nail to maintain control of them and if they ever lost control, too then regain that control...and while it may take a short amount of time for the Air Force to retrieve the warheads, that's assuming there isn't anything preventing them from doing so.
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Re: The American Redoubt -- Move to the Mountain States
« Reply #38 on: March 11, 2012, 10:59:44 AM »
There is not much that can stop them.

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Re: The American Redoubt -- Move to the Mountain States
« Reply #39 on: July 07, 2012, 01:30:44 PM »
My 2 cents. (If it comes down to us against the US military we will lose, but)

I moved here for three reasons.

I subscribe to Gerald Celente and have for a very long time. Got out of many jams early 'cause I took action from his alerts.

1. In several of his newsletters 4 years or so ago he predicted the balkanization of America and that the surviving remnant of true Constitutional era America would be 3-5 states that being Wyoming at the heart with (in order of likelihood) Montana, North Dakota, Idaho, South Dakota, Utah and Nebraska.

2. There is a Christ based calling to the area in the Big Horn I have found myself. As I have lived here now for almost 4 years many of my neighbors also confirm this. I did not bring it up, but that is how I finally got here.

3. America is under judgment and the coasts are particularly worse as that is were the concentration of rebellion, idolatry, carnolatry, materialism, homosexuality, socialism and just about everything else you can imagine that rebels against and angers our Lord Almighty.

Have you read the book "The Harbinger" or are aware of the parallels America is on with Israel 2500 years ago? See Isaiah 9:10

This whole crap fest with the coming NWO, Soros, Obamanations, Fascism in the police state of America, etc. is not just a coincidence.

I am in a serious state of repentance, prayer and preparation as this is the mother of all spiritual wars coming at us like a freight train.

Wyoming is the best place to draw the line and fight for God's promise and protection for our liberty.

Just my opinion men and women. But I have seen the Glory of the coming of our Lord!

Thomas

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Re: The American Redoubt -- Move to the Mountain States
« Reply #40 on: July 08, 2012, 04:03:17 PM »
Hi Thomas,

Thanks for your thoughtprovoking post and kind book gift offer.
I hope that Wyoming and the FSW benefit your plans!

Blessings,
Boston

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Re: The American Redoubt -- Move to the Mountain States
« Reply #41 on: July 09, 2012, 06:26:26 AM »
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My 2 cents. (If it comes down to us against the US military we will lose, but)

I moved here for three reasons.

I subscribe to Gerald Celente and have for a very long time. Got out of many jams early 'cause I took action from his alerts.

1. In several of his newsletters 4 years or so ago he predicted the balkanization of America and that the surviving remnant of true Constitutional era America would be 3-5 states that being Wyoming at the heart with (in order of likelihood) Montana, North Dakota, Idaho, South Dakota, Utah and Nebraska.

2. There is a Christ based calling to the area in the Big Horn I have found myself. As I have lived here now for almost 4 years many of my neighbors also confirm this. I did not bring it up, but that is how I finally got here.

3. America is under judgment and the coasts are particularly worse as that is were the concentration of rebellion, idolatry, carnolatry, materialism, homosexuality, socialism and just about everything else you can imagine that rebels against and angers our Lord Almighty.

Have you read the book "The Harbinger" or are aware of the parallels America is on with Israel 2500 years ago? See Isaiah 9:10

This whole crap fest with the coming NWO, Soros, Obamanations, Fascism in the police state of America, etc. is not just a coincidence.

I am in a serious state of repentance, prayer and preparation as this is the mother of all spiritual wars coming at us like a freight train.

Wyoming is the best place to draw the line and fight for God's promise and protection for our liberty.

Just my opinion men and women. But I have seen the Glory of the coming of our Lord!

Thomas

P.S. If you want the book (and can not afford it) I will buy one and ship it to you as my gift. Just PM me your desire and address.

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Hello Thomas,

As another believer, your post resonated with me.  Can you expand more on the area you live in and the kind of Christian influence there?  If/when I sell my place, I haven't decided what part of Wyoming to move to and am open to other areas besides Crook and Weston counties.  PM if you want.  Thanks!

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Re: The American Redoubt -- Move to the Mountain States
« Reply #42 on: July 09, 2012, 11:32:17 AM »
If/when I sell my place, I haven't decided what part of Wyoming to move to and am open to other areas besides Crook and Weston counties.

That's smart if only to prevent buyers remorse. Wyoming is a big state and my wife and
I did thousands of miles of driving and research before deciding on our locations. That
may sound like work but it comes with lots of fun adventures and knowledge.

A caveat: Time was on our side and afforded the luxury of the exploration. Depending on
your intuition it's possible to collapse some time by talking with some very informed
FSWers. Better yet, talk with three or four!

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Re: The American Redoubt -- Move to the Mountain States
« Reply #43 on: July 09, 2012, 01:46:38 PM »
I have always been self employed. Up until 1995 it was always a brick and mortar business, the last being an ad agency in the San Francisco Bay area in the 80s with 35 employees, lawsuits, tax audits, and all the other crap one suffers doing business in America and especially in the Socialist State of California (God sink that place deep into the ocean soon, please).

When the Internet launched, I was there before Al Gore was, (I wrote a book about this), I started building up to build income and business from and based on the Internet.

This allows me to live anywhere I want as long as there is Internet access for me.

So I chose to live in the Big Horn Basin up close and personal to the Big Horns for so many reasons and inspired to do so.

It is possible to and the benefits are huge having this freedom. Anyone can achieve this life style with dedication and patience.

My company 'Veretekk" is the company built to empower people that want to have this freedom and lifestyle.

I detest Liberals and Statists. If I have to move to a deserted island to get away from both I will, but in the area I live right now I have only seen one Obama sticker and that is the art school teacher's car at the local public school (I forgive her as she is totally inept when it comes to critical thinking).

I can write volumes about how this country is under judgment due to the current disarray the USA has allowed herself to become from the rot and filth that has collected in her beams and foundations with the likes of Barack and Michelle Obama, Barney Frank, Bill and Hillary Clinton, Maxine Waters, Henry Waxman, Harry Reid and the list goes on forever.

I can feel a rant coming and I have a ton of work to do with my company.

So I will leave it at this. I needed solitude and time to spend in serious repentance and prayer with my Lord. This area I live in does that. I need quite and very dark starry nights to spend hours gazing into to heal my broken soul and this area is healing me. I needed neighbors that are conservative and solid and self sufficient with strong independence and firm handshakes and I have that too.

Can you feel the love?

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Re: The American Redoubt -- Move to the Mountain States
« Reply #44 on: July 09, 2012, 01:48:34 PM »
I cant PM you Kingskid, the system will not let me. Maybe because I am still the new kid on the block around here.

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