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Offline Dani

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Interested, but Unsure
« on: July 05, 2011, 08:35:58 PM »
Not a great introduction, but it is true.  Here's why.

1. I am a Florida Fish and the idea of moving so far inland is strange, not to mention the weather is utterly different!  (I will be a fish-stick if it is too cold.)  Plus, fish is the only meat I really eat at all.  Also, how is the growing season there?  What vegetables and fruits are best grown there?

2. I have lived most of my life in rural areas (and the people were so much kinder than the cities), but my father was also very protective and I do not know if I am built to strike out on my own so far from family.  (Just as examples of his sheltering, I thought ABC was a toy store not a liquor store, and until high school I thought condoms were fancy cats-eye marbles... I kind of settled on that random thought as a child because no one would answer me when I asked what they were.  OCPD coming through, but you see my point.)

3. Where are most of the paleo-libertarians, confederates, anarcho-capitalists, classical liberals (not moderns :P ) and free-staters?  County?  City?  What places have the most jobs?  What types?  Least restrictions (especially on homeschooling)?

4. How are the communities regarding electronics, communication and computers?  I was thinking a really good way to make people interested in freedom was to both see who their neighbors are (broadly speaking) and putting down rules for their own land through an interactive program, perhaps like intranet.

5 & 6. I am also interested in places that would be open to approval voting (there are four different versions of that, but all seem better than what is more common) and vouchers to encourage privatization.

Lots of questions, but I want to get a general feel for what to expect, overall best places and how to compensate for what lacks.

I have been trying to find out what to do and have considered several things, including moving to other countries.  To put it simply, while there are freer countries regarding ECONOMY (such as Hong Kong), I also want to be in a Christian-focused atmosphere.  I am not saying that the laws are particularly Christian, but that there are so many Christians that iron is bound to sharpen iron, much like capitalism aims for the better product.

Anyway, the heritage institute (I think) made an interactive chart to find what country you would be best suited for based on what you are looking for in terms of certain freedoms (ranging from must-have to very important to slightly important to not important on gun laws, taxation, recreational drugs, no corruption, et cetera).  I was admittedly relieved that the U.S. was my top (if I had to limit each choice, like must-haves, to using only 2-3 times).

Looking at states next, I was disappointed to see that New Hampshire was chosen, especially being surrounded by states that were diametrically opposed to freedom.  South Dakota was the next choice on my list based on having the best economy according to this http://mercatus.org/freedom-50-states-2011/SD
However, according to some contact with a free-stater there, they are not as active as they were before and, in fact, this particular person was moving out of the state.

I am split between Florida and Wyoming now.  Florida has the fourteenth best economic freedom rank, is practically surrounded by water and liberty-leaning states, and is where I currently live (obviously).  Although we have problems with voting (the machines need to be chucked or at least used exclusively for those willing to pay or have a voucher system setup for the disabled, for whom they were intended for before they illegally forced it on ALL voters), it seems people are open to improving it.

I thought of starting a freedom campaign here starting with Liberty County (appropriate?), but I am not sure whether the population size will work for or against that, though it gives plenty of opportunity to set up that electronic neighborhood idea.  Not to mention, I think Wyoming does better in being less restrictive on homeschooling.

Anyway, if you have read this far into my babbling, thank you and hopefully I will hear back on the questions and concerns.  Later, God bless.

Offline Crappiewy

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Re: Interested, but Unsure
« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2011, 09:09:28 PM »
There are many reasons that Wyoming has only 500,000 people. If you are unsure, dont come. it is not a place of rest and relaxation. You gotta work. Most of the questions that you asked dont really matter. If you want better freedom than most states, then come. But dont expect an easy life.

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Re: Interested, but Unsure
« Reply #2 on: July 05, 2011, 09:29:17 PM »

My wife and I grew up in Florida. Whenever we return we are shocked by the humidity. It's
amazing how fast that acclimation disappears.  After about three days we also start missing
the mountains.

I gather from your intro that it's family that puts Florida in the running and not it's ranking
on the test you took. If you've got it narrowed down between Florida and Wyoming that's like
choosing between two different planets!  You might want to checkout planet Wyoming for
a few months to inform your decision.

 Perhaps a summer job while renting somewhere?

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Offline Don Wills

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Re: Interested, but Unsure
« Reply #3 on: July 05, 2011, 09:32:54 PM »
I suggest you spend a week in Wyoming, in the winter if possible.  Drive around the state, staying a day or two in each of several locations.  Tell folks here about your schedule and you'll find lots of folks to have lunch and dinner with to get the lay of the land.  Wyoming is a high desert, the opposite of a sea-level semi-tropical environment.  The shock of physical surroundings will be large.  The sparsity of the population may be an even more significant shock to you than the weather/land.

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Re: Interested, but Unsure
« Reply #4 on: July 06, 2011, 06:32:22 AM »
...Wyoming is a high desert, the opposite of a sea-level semi-tropical environment...

Hey we were at (er, under) sea level once too!  Just think as global warming continues and sea levels rise, Lander will be beachfront property again....avoid the rush, buy now  ;)
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Re: Interested, but Unsure
« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2011, 12:13:52 PM »
Dani,
If you think that it's a toss up between FL and WY, then I think you'd better stay there.
Seriously.
There is no comparison. Two entirely different states, and I'm not talking weather.

Every time my wife watches "Police Women of Broward County", my stomach turns. What a hell hole. Look at the people there. Look at how they behave. Look at their values. Those cities are a festering mass of scum. Even if you don't live in a a large city, remember that the state follows the city dwellers, whether it be NV and Las Vegas, CO and Denver, or IL and Chicago.

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Offline Dani

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Re: Interested, but Unsure
« Reply #6 on: July 06, 2011, 02:15:06 PM »
Crappiewy, thanks for the reply.  I am aware of the low population and that is what makes it appealing as well because you can usually impact with fewer people.  Hard work does not scare me; it is not knowing how exactly to go about it and that is exactly why I wanted to be around free-staters.  I suppose this website would help with that, but I am not sure I would have it there for a while.  Later and thanks again for replying.

Terence, lol, thanks for the advice.  I will start saving up for a trip and seeing if my employers has an open position in Wyoming.  I will make sure to post on this thread again before I enter the atmosphere. ;)

Don Wills, thanks for the suggestion.  I am not really aiming for a season to visit right now, but more looking to take a trip as soon as I finish payments down here.  We will see how it goes. :)

MANUMIT, thanks for replying.  Global warming will takeover, just as soon as global cooling has her share, or so I am told by a liberal friend of mine. ;)

MANFROMNEVADA, there are many conservative counties in Florida, including my home county (Clay) and my father's (Nassau, which I am currently located in), but these are mostly in Northern Florida, aside from the capital.  (I could make a very rude comment regarding statists seem to do that so much, but it is well known.)  Anyway, the more I consider the move, the more doable it seems than what I thought at first.  Reading some of the stories on those who have moved all around the world for freedom makes it less daunting; in fact, one even said it was refreshing to know that he did and could again.  (He chose an odd country to me though: Argentina.)  Thanks for posting.  To see this many responses means the movement is alive and well, especially because you had recent pledges as well.

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Re: Interested, but Unsure
« Reply #7 on: July 06, 2011, 02:31:02 PM »
Welcome, Dani, and don't let these curmudgeons discourage you! I'm an older woman, a widow for the last 25 years now. I moved here in 2005 when most of these wippersnappers were still thinking about it. <big grin... that's a joke, son...>

Anyway, I never had the money to make a visit first, and just did it. I gave away or sold most of what I owned (a BIG plus) and packed a 15 foot rental truck with the rest. I lived all my life in the Southern California desert and had no clue I'd even survive the first winter... so much more to that story, but I'll tell it when we can visit in person.

So, two weeks after I moved into a rented apartment in South Dakota (the closest I could get to Wyoming at first) - I fell on the ice and broke my leg. Talk about a bad way to start a new life!

But I healed, I got adjusted to the cold and driving on the snow (I don't "do" ice, however), and I wouldn't go back to California (or anywhere else) for anything in the world. This is my home. This is where I belong. This is where I will live until I die. I'd love to have you as a neighbor.
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Re: Interested, but Unsure
« Reply #8 on: July 06, 2011, 03:31:56 PM »
Hey, I've never been called a curmudgeon, don't even know how to pronounce that, but coming from Mama Liberty I'll take that as a compliment!

Everyone's opinion is welcomed here. Even mine!

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Offline Dodd

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Re: Interested, but Unsure
« Reply #9 on: July 06, 2011, 06:38:09 PM »
Hi guys, welcome Dani. This has been kind of a cute thread reading it again. I don't have a lot of answers but I think the FSW folks that I got to meet at the Jamboree last month are really friendly, nice and welcoming. Also I don't think that you will have to strike out on your own as much as you think. Folks here who offer to help are sincere and many more good folks aren't necessarily posting on the forum very much but are just busy in Wyoming. God bless people like Mama Liberty who are always here to welcome people and lend help. There is a nice camaraderie too. I think that FSW folks (myself included) are rather protective too, in a chivalrous way. After all, I think that part of moving to Wyoming has to do with preserving decent, worthwhile values and looking out for our own communities. You'll meet folks who are warriors, entrepreneurs, intellectuals, Christians, very funny, and family-people all at once.

Anyhow, I live in San Francisco so I'm always intrigued by the precious few other folks who are attracted to this way of thinking and being, in the Patriot,(anarcho, libertarian -new words for me) community. I don't know many here in CA. I'm done now before I kill off this thread. Gee, you'd think I was some kind of extremist Marine or something.  ::)

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Re: Interested, but Unsure
« Reply #10 on: July 07, 2011, 08:42:31 AM »
Hey, I've never been called a curmudgeon, don't even know how to pronounce that, but coming from Mama Liberty I'll take that as a compliment!

You may indeed, but you know perfectly well that you are a curmudgeon and relish the fact. The fact that the "bah, humbug" is almost always followed by a smile or a hug is quite immaterial.   >:D
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Re: Interested, but Unsure
« Reply #11 on: July 07, 2011, 08:48:35 AM »
Hey, I've never been called a curmudgeon, don't even know how to pronounce that, but coming from Mama Liberty I'll take that as a compliment!

You may indeed, but you know perfectly well that you are a curmudgeon and relish the fact. The fact that the "bah, humbug" is almost always followed by a smile or a hug is quite immaterial.   >:D

I can only hope that I'll be as good at "curmudgeoning" when I grow up  >:D  ;D 

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Re: Interested, but Unsure
« Reply #12 on: July 07, 2011, 09:18:00 AM »
Curmudgeons are some of my favorite people, because when they do smile you know they really mean it.
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