Under 30s?

[PatriotAR15]

Understood Boston,
But how does one choose a right mate?
I mean, obviously, evn though as you said, dont let politics get in the way...
Should it get in the way if the girl in question is a complete socialist or fascist?
Afterall, I cant just abandon my principles...and I know your not advocating that...
But eventually, the subject WILL come up...
If i try to hide my principles from her...one day she may be invited to my place of residence, and she looks for the bathroom and finds my Gun/Survival Gear/Books closet.
I somehow think thats a BAD way for her to learn both, what my political views are AND how serious I am in defending liberty....
But how does one find a girl who will likely tolerate a Patriot's lifestyle (IE, gun owning, survivalist minded) and how to gradually let them in the know...
Even if it is on the backburner,...she WILL Find the backburner...

I think that the way it should be done is how my friend did, which is he gradually let her know. IE, he didnt try to hide it, but neither did he volunteer it. So he let her know he's into shooting,...course he got more political "extreme" after she married him, after he lost faith in the GOP.
Thing is, with me, its hard to seperate my principles from myself, even for a moment. I know how to keep my views to myself for a while, but eventually they ARE KNOWN.
Heck I moved to an entirely different state for the purpose of liberty, (Also for experiencing it myself)...

Also, as for my myspace. The intent of my myspace wasnt to attract a mate, but to express myself and meet likeminded people. If I wanted a myspace account for that purpose (of finding a mate), id just do what others do, and open a seperate account for personal live stuff and more about me. But I just  think myspace is the venue.

So I guess the question is...what to look for in a woman, and when you find her and attract her....when do you let her know about "Mr Hyde".



Maybe Im just a young crazy fool who probably went off the deep end 

[PatriotAR15]

ISNT the venue*

[Jed Bodacious]

Still looking 

[auxter]

Some women have their own gun/survival gear closet. They do exist, so don't give up.  Although I did notice a lack of women at the last gun show I attended.

[Boston]

PatriotAR15, you shouldn't abandon your principles,
but you also don't have to wear Gadsden Flag underwear, either...

Give a girl a chance to catch up with you.
Don't overwhelm her at first. 
If she digs you, you've an ear to speak about politics, etc.

Balance, my friend, balance...is the key of life, if there is a key.

As far as introducing her to your "Mr. Hyde", find out first what issues
you're already in agreement about.  The IRS, privacy, the TSA, whatever,
and build on that.

You're looking for fertile soil with a few saplings, not a forest.

If you're not already in agreement about at least a few things, then don't
bother with any "conversion" and keep looking.

Boston

[Lady Liberty]

Okay, realistically, I'm not supposed to be here. I might be just a TAD over your upper age limit. But...

I do know something about relationships. Especially failed ones, LOL! But failures are where lessons are learned, right?

No matter what it is that's important to you, the main thing is for you to decide what's a "deal-breaker" for you. Chances are awfully good you're not going to find a mirror image of yourself out there. So what MUST you have? What will you absolutely REFUSE to put up with? Everything else can be changed, compromised, ignored, or tolerated without grievous harm to you and your happiness.

My own uncompromising criteria DOES happen to include politics as it happens, but yours doesn't have to. The one thing you DO have to decide is that you're going to decide to decide. As Boston so realistically pointed out, though it's never too late, it CAN be too late for SOME things, and you never know what you're missing while you're waiting, either!

Sorta like moving to Wyoming when you think about it. 

LL

[PatriotAR15]

I bet moving to WY deffinately DID boost my chances for finding a somewhat like-minded simular interests, type girl...atleast more than my chances in Peoples Republik of NJ!!!

But yeah I already do that Boston, but I guess its good you said it and reinforced that. Normally when I am full out about my views with a girl...its for ONE REASON.
Either 1. I already know the girl thinks simularly anyway.
or 2. Im not interested in her.

If im interested, and I have no idea what her leanings are...then i DO TREAD lightly...

[Jed Bodacious]

Here's my Myspace page....


http://www.myspace.com/jedbodacious


Who else has one?

[mikeyali1776]

Understood Boston,
But how does one choose a right mate?
I mean, obviously, evn though as you said, dont let politics get in the way...
Should it get in the way if the girl in question is a complete socialist or fascist?
Afterall, I cant just abandon my principles...and I know your not advocating that...
But eventually, the subject WILL come up...
If i try to hide my principles from her...one day she may be invited to my place of residence, and she looks for the bathroom and finds my Gun/Survival Gear/Books closet.
I somehow think thats a BAD way for her to learn both, what my political views are AND how serious I am in defending liberty....
But how does one find a girl who will likely tolerate a Patriot's lifestyle (IE, gun owning, survivalist minded) and how to gradually let them in the know...
Even if it is on the backburner,...she WILL Find the backburner...

I think that the way it should be done is how my friend did, which is he gradually let her know. IE, he didnt try to hide it, but neither did he volunteer it. So he let her know he's into shooting,...course he got more political "extreme" after she married him, after he lost faith in the GOP.
Thing is, with me, its hard to seperate my principles from myself, even for a moment. I know how to keep my views to myself for a while, but eventually they ARE KNOWN.
Heck I moved to an entirely different state for the purpose of liberty, (Also for experiencing it myself)...

Also, as for my myspace. The intent of my myspace wasnt to attract a mate, but to express myself and meet likeminded people. If I wanted a myspace account for that purpose (of finding a mate), id just do what others do, and open a seperate account for personal live stuff and more about me. But I just  think myspace is the venue.

So I guess the question is...what to look for in a woman, and when you find her and attract her....when do you let her know about "Mr Hyde".



Maybe Im just a young crazy fool who probably went off the deep end 

There's no need to abandon your principles.  I have found in most of my relationships that especially younger (18-25) girls really haven't established their OWN principles.  This doesn't make them moldable per se and you really wouldn't want to have a girl without conviction but I think you will find that if you aren't confrontational with a girl that she will readily adapt a great many of your beliefs if she finds you a likable person and isn't diametrically opposed to them in the first place.  This means that most any girl will do, so long as she isn't already a volunteer at planned parenthood or something.  Think of when you were in high school.  I don't know how many times the girls I dated all of a sudden started to like the same kind of music I liked and things like that.

Also ask yourself what you're looking for in a girl.  I was fortunate enough to land a girl that enjoys shooting and is active politically (and is a babe) but I didn't NEED that.  I only needed a girl that I cared about that wasn't fundamentally opposed to my work and my beliefs.  You don't necessarily need a woman on the firing line with you, just one that doesn't yell at you for blowing your paycheck on that battle rifle instead of taking her to the opera. 

As far as your Mr. Hyde goes, you are already starting with one foot in the grave of failure.  Even if you jokingly see that as a Mr. Hyde in you, then it really is.  When I first got in the freedom movement I could jokingly refer to myself as a crazy but as I started to take it a little more seriously I no longer joke about my beliefs simply because they are unusual.  This isn't to say that I don't have a sense of humor, I'm sure Laurel can attest that I do, but you shouldn't even halfway think of your beliefs as crazy because they aren't the norm.  If you portray yourself in such a light, then they will be perceived that way by others.   In any case, good luck man.  Women do love sponteneity and you just moving certainly proves you've got that.

Mike

[Boston]

Normally when I am full out about my views with a girl...its for ONE REASON.
Either 1. I already know the girl thinks simularly anyway.
or 2. Im not interested in her.

OK, AR, you're getting there, but you're not there yet.
Point being, string out your "full out" discussion of your views.
If she's not asking questions, then you're talking too much.

And blasting away a nonprospect with your magnum beliefs doesn't help
the next guy who believes similarly.  Trust me on this, as I did it myself, once
when I was about 24.  She got a dose of Ayn Rand that would have befitted
Atlas Shrugged, and I was so high-handed about that it embarrassed me
within only a few weeks (vs. years).

What is natural, logical, sensible, etc. to you may take her some time
to digest.  Also, she will tend to much more deeply explore the ramifications
of you and your beliefs than you her/hers. 

Give her time to do the gradual math to understand where she may
fit in all of it. 

And remember this, even if she does not want children, her programming
will constantly force the self-question:  "Is this man the best bet for my
genetic material?  Will he protect me and mine?" 

It's as simple and crass as that.

Finally, if you and your beliefs seem to her a bummer, forget it.
Women are not so solemn, intense, and gritty...thank God.
Women save men from themselves, and vice versa.
That's the entire point of the sexes.

Don't look for some political octave, look for a pleasing chord.
She maxes out at Rush Limbaugh for now, but otherwise trips your trigger?
Cool; hang on to her.

Last bit of Unca Boston advice:  smile often and hugely.
It will help to negate your apparent intensity.
She will tolerate acres of camo BDUs, as long as she knows there's a grinning boy inside.

Boston

[PatriotAR15]

Actually Mike,
The "Mr Hyde" was a reference to how Boston suggested that people should store the majority of their weapons and gear and books at a seperate location other than their main living space. The clean home, IE "Dr Jekyll" would have only enough guns to fight your way out, while the "Mr Hyde" location kept the rest of the goodies. Sorry, figured that cross reference with BGB would've been caught. guess i was too vague  sorry!

[PatriotAR15]

OK, AR, you're getting there, but you're not there yet.
Point being, string out your "full out" discussion of your views.
If she's not asking questions, then you're talking too much.

And blasting away a nonprospect with your magnum beliefs doesn't help
the next guy who believes similarly.? Trust me on this, as I did it myself, once
when I was about 24.? She got a dose of Ayn Rand that would have befitted
Atlas Shrugged, and I was so high-handed about that it embarrassed me
within only a few weeks (vs. years).

What is natural, logical, sensible, etc. to you may take her some time
to digest.? Also, she will tend to much more deeply explore the ramifications
of you and your beliefs than you her/hers.?

Give her time to do the gradual math to understand where she may
fit in all of it.?

And remember this, even if she does not want children, her programming
will constantly force the self-question:? "Is this man the best bet for my
genetic material?? Will he protect me and mine?"?

It's as simple and crass as that.

Finally, if you and your beliefs seem to her a bummer, forget it.
Women are not so solemn, intense, and gritty...thank God.
Women save men from themselves, and vice versa.
That's the entire point of the sexes.

Don't look for some political octave, look for a pleasing chord.
She maxes out at Rush Limbaugh for now, but otherwise trips your trigger?
Cool; hang on to her.

Last bit of Unca Boston advice:? smile often and hugely.
It will help to negate your apparent intensity.
She will tolerate acres of camo BDUs, as long as she knows there's a grinning boy inside.

Boston



Actually, In person I DO smile alot 
I just dont smile in pictures. And If I do smile its more of a smirk than a smile.

[Beulahtrash]

I am 24 yrs old and I live in Crook county, south of Beulah. I just joined this message board today and I hope to view a lot more of it in the future. I will send in my letter of intent and payment soon, probably after this weekends gun show if there is any left. I can't wait to meet the rest of you at an upcoming jomboree or shooting event, especially unca Boston himself. I have a myspace pages as well.

www.myspace.com/imout4revenge

Following along with your subject of ladies and our political views and action plans. I mentioned over lunch with a female friend of mine ( I got stuck in the friend zone long ago and I am trying to dig my way out ) about the free state project. I mentioned NH and Wyoming and that the epicenter of the wyoming movement was crook county. I explained the ideals of the FSW members and what the hope to accomplish. While more a hippie than a gun nut like myself she liked the idea of liberty and being able to live freely. She does shoot and bought her a gun for self protection in hopes she would carry it (which she has not, but occupies her nightstand). I think in further conversations where I present the facts and allow her to make an opinion she will come to the same decisions I have and not be scared away.

Let me know what you think and I can't wait to hear from you guys.

[Richard]

Hey bro, welcome! even though you are already in wyoming!  I am 20 and just moved here.  Look forward to meeting you and seeing you around the forum.

Have you thought about coming to the upcoming guernsey shoot at the end of the month?  Here is the thread with info.  http://www.fundamentalsoffreedom.com/fswforum//index.php?topic=2709.0

Hope to see you there.

[wyomiles]

Welcome Beulahtrash, glad to have you with us.  Miles