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Offline kylben

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Re: The 300! The 1st 300 FSW Moving Members
« Reply #60 on: October 10, 2009, 03:27:10 AM »
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Later, at this point may very well be too late...

Too many are far too concerned with pontificating on some utopian dream of their version of
the perfect society, yet we haven't so much as done a single iota on removing the current yoke.

Don't assume that because some efforts are invisible to you, or have not yet manifested outwardly tangible results, that they do not exist.

There are many yokes to be removed before the government yoke is even accessible. Too late it may indeed be, yet things take whatever time they require. In the meantime, pontificating and debate need not be at the expense of other efforts, and have benefits of their own in establishing and reinforcing surety of purpose, moral clarity, and common cause.

The storm will come in its own time, whether I am ready or not.  If I am not, it is because I saw it's imminence too late, not because I've failed to engage the work of preparing for it once I did see. A wise man once said "You have to start from where you are".  When the storm comes, I will face it with whatever tools I have been able to muster, no more and no less.
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Offline Rich

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Re: The 300! The 1st 300 FSW Moving Members
« Reply #61 on: October 10, 2009, 10:02:37 AM »
It's more along the lines, We have a near perfect storm of events swirling, millions of good
SOLID people, seriously, maybe for the 1st time, would consider, AND be able to convince
there spouses the NOW is time to move, and get out of X.

People are pushed and we could be actively promoting ourselves as a viable option.

As far as thowing off the yoke or even preventing it's tightning here, can we point to
much of any success, the closest I can think of is protesting the Land Use proposals up
in Crook County. If there are other demonstrable efforts I am not aware of them.

Yet many seem complacent with the org. And then spend their time writing tome like
posts championing extreme measures of anarchy when we don't even have a Toe-hold
neigh.... fingernail hold on any aspect of whats occuring right here. The cart is 50 miles down
the road, and we don't Have a horse, to hitch it to.  the most recent example of this:
http://www.fundamentalsoffreedom.com/fswforum/index.php?topic=8377.msg71298#msg71298

I could see some merit in the educational value of the posts, yet they do nothing to
promote the org, or it's stated goals for Wyoming, and It frustrates the hell out of me.

If we can't even manage a unified front amongst each other, how do we intend to stop/slow
the statist trends here in wyoming? 

It seems to me the mission-creep has crept completely away from the mission.

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Re: The 300! The 1st 300 FSW Moving Members
« Reply #62 on: October 10, 2009, 10:08:10 AM »
Amen, Rich!
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Re: The 300! The 1st 300 FSW Moving Members
« Reply #63 on: October 10, 2009, 01:17:31 PM »
from Rich:
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It's more along the lines, We have a near perfect storm of events swirling, millions of good
SOLID people, seriously, maybe for the 1st time, would consider, AND be able to convince
there spouses the NOW is time to move, and get out of X.

People are pushed and we could be actively promoting ourselves as a viable option.
OK, I'll say it again:

It's not up to the FSW to promote the FSW; it's up to individual FSWers to promote the FSW.
I.e., there will be no FSW advertising budget, money bomb, marketing committee, etc.
Want to see an ad promoting the FSW? 
Great, I'll help you design one (if you wish) and you pay the ad cost.
Perfectly democratic:  spend your own money your own way.
I described all this at:

FSWers using the FSW name for promotion, some ideas on ads
http://www.fundamentalsoffreedom.com/fswforum/index.php?topic=7423.0

It's been read only 80 times. 
It's been acted on:  never.

Could I have been more of a cheerleader to you all to increase our marketing?
Sure, I guess so, but quite frankly I am out of juice for it.
I don't have the energy (and no longer the time) to bang the FSW drum for you.



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As far as thowing off the yoke or even preventing it's tightning here, can we point to
much of any success, the closest I can think of is protesting the Land Use proposals up
in Crook County. If there are other demonstrable efforts I am not aware of them.
Rich, you live in Weston County.
What political action have you been involved in?


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the most recent example of this:
http://www.fundamentalsoffreedom.com/fswforum/index.php?topic=8377.msg71298#msg71298

I could see some merit in the educational value of the posts, yet they do nothing to
promote the org, or it's stated goals for Wyoming, and It frustrates the hell out of me.
Yes, Rich, I am beginning to agree more with you about that kind of thing.
Hence, read my reply there:
http://www.fundamentalsoffreedom.com/fswforum/index.php?topic=8377.msg71386#msg71386

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Look, I liked the idea behind The 300!, but the logistics of it were objectionable to some FSWers
and I understood why.  The whole thing helped confirm to me the value of our own individual
promotion/marketing of the FSW, vs. trying to arrive at some stickery committee agreement. 

Really, can some frustrated FSWer place the first such ad?  Be a trailblazer?
We need a pioneer willing to spend their own dough, and say so in the ad.
That would be promotion!

Boston
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Offline Rich

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Re: The 300! The 1st 300 FSW Moving Members
« Reply #64 on: October 10, 2009, 05:20:25 PM »
I will commit 75 ounces of Sterling Silver and 1.65 ounces Dental Gold for highlights + 1000.00 FRN
to the creation of a pin to honor the 1st 300 FULL FSW Members in Wyoming.
and will use the proceeds to advertise the movement until such time as the # has doubled.

Rich
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Re: The 300! The 1st 300 FSW Moving Members
« Reply #65 on: October 10, 2009, 05:48:20 PM »
Rich, you live in Weston County.
What political action have you been involved in?

Actually Quite abit,  Having determined that I have too many liabilities for the office.
I have found a willing candidate that I can support ,and last november we collected
over 100 of the last presidential campaigns LARGE Poly signs we are going re use
after a repaint for said election.

and a few other things I'll keep you in the dark about...for now...

Rich
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Re: The 300! The 1st 300 FSW Moving Members
« Reply #66 on: October 10, 2009, 06:01:51 PM »
Rich, thanks for your generous gold/silver/cash offer to help promote the FSW!

I'm unsure how it will work, however, if too many FSWers don't wish to
be officially counted (which seemed the spoiler to any formal The 300! plan).

Also, your "will use the proceeds to advertise the movement" confuses me.
Proceeds from what?  Profits made on selling the pin?  Please clarify there.

Since you're ponying up about $2750 by my reckoning, and wish to increase
FSW numbers, wouldn't some spot ads go further?  Just trying to help you
get the most bang for your buck.  How you spend it is certainly your call.

Glad to learn of your local political activism for a worthy candidate.
Please keep us informed as you can.  Thanks again for what you do.

 ~W~
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Re: The 300! The 1st 300 FSW Moving Members
« Reply #67 on: October 10, 2009, 06:21:02 PM »
No Boston, I will spend every cent on various ads, the Whole thing.
Investment and profits. just a way of "Value added"

Quite frankly I don't give a care for those who oppose it.

It's a Damn good idea...

I am paying for it and they don't need to buy one.

I see many who got their piece of land and don't care about the next guy or gal.

I DO.

I remember well my desire, and my commitment to WY.

I never have changed.

And Never will.

I Want Freedom In My Lifetime Or Die Trying... Clear Enough????

Rich
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Re: The 300! The 1st 300 FSW Moving Members
« Reply #68 on: October 10, 2009, 08:18:41 PM »
OK, understood.
Your money; your plan on how to spend it.
Again, thanks for funding something beneficial to us all.

Boston
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Offline KentuckyRifle

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Re: The 300! The 1st 300 FSW Moving Members
« Reply #69 on: October 10, 2009, 09:14:58 PM »
I will buy one of those pins Rich, and gladly help you get this thing up off the ground. I will send you a PM soon...I firmly believe you are right in everything you have said in this thread, we need to get busy!
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Re: The 300! The 1st 300 FSW Moving Members
« Reply #70 on: October 10, 2009, 10:08:48 PM »
I'm not clear on your plan, but if you are planning to sell the pins to raise cash for ads and the like, I'll "sponsor" one of the 300 by buying a pin for him/her, say, the next mover after you have them ready (or more than one, depending on price). And if it turns out I later end up in the first 300 (I actually hope not, I hope it has already hit it, or will sooner than I can get there), I'll buy one for myself and Sally.  If we're #300 and 301, we'll have to arm-wrestle for it ;D

I like this plan (if I'm understanding it correctly), and thank you, Rich, for the generous offer.  I'll do what I can to pitch in on helping you make some proceeds from it.
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Offline Rich

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Re: The 300! The 1st 300 FSW Moving Members
« Reply #71 on: October 11, 2009, 03:38:06 PM »
Quote from: Boston on October 10, 2009, 06:01:51 PM
Rich, thanks for your generous gold/silver/cash offer to help promote the FSW!

I'm unsure how it will work, however, if too many FSWers don't wish to
be officially counted (which seemed the spoiler to any formal The 300! plan).

Also, your "will use the proceeds to advertise the movement" confuses me.
Proceeds from what?  Profits made on selling the pin?  Please clarify there.

Since you're ponying up about $2750 by my reckoning, and wish to increase
FSW numbers, wouldn't some spot ads go further?  Just trying to help you
get the most bang for your buck.  How you spend it is certainly your call.

Glad to learn of your local political activism for a worthy candidate.
Please keep us informed as you can.  Thanks again for what you do.

 ~W~
Boston

Well heres the deal. the Gold comes from a bag of gold crowns I got from my Name-sake,
Dr. Richard Frank DDS.
The Silver comes from a box of broken silver chains (sterling) I got from Fred McAty who was a very old
jeweler whom retired Many years ago and I maybe have a buck an ounce in... I thought
I was going to make bracelets out of when I went though my "I want to be a jewler" phase...
I was 12 years old when I got them and about the same age I got the crowns... So they have done nothing but sit in the box for..... 35 YEARS!!! Sh*t I'm getting OLD!!!!


You know I just might try to make up a couple on my own to see... Lost wax Investment cast...


Here is my design Idea, using the Spartan Shield





The size will approximate a Quarter and weigh 1/5 to 1/4 oz.

I will slightly enlarge the flat rim to accomodate printing in the rim

The body will be cast as Sterling Silver, so it will be Silver colored.

The chevron wil be a separate cast piece of Gold. as dental gold has Higher melt point
I  place the gold chevron in the mold and cast the silver to it... I think anyway... that may not work
and I'll have to do it another way post casting...

At any rate, the printing at the edges:


                                               

                                                          The 300!
                                                       
                                                             n  L
                                               I          o       a       W
                                               N        l            b     Y
                                                       o               e'
                                                    M                    !

                                                            XXX
This is the best I can represent    
given the parameters of the
forum posting>>>                         The serial # 1-300 
                                                 goes @ the XXX

                                                 Molon Labe'! In the Chevron
                                                          
I Will have to Make 303 total  1 Founder, One with a 0 (Mine),
and one for my mom....Trust me... I HAVE to Make one for MOM Just work with me on that... MOM GETS ONE!

Well what do you think?  Suggestions??? Ideas???

The flat rim could be Gold as well... That's tougher though, unless electro plated.....still a whole
nother step, and I don't want gaudy either... simple and elegant.
or the gold chevron could be plain without the: Molon Labe'! In the Chevron...

ORRRR No printing at all.................HMMMMM or all the print on the Back side....
Or keep the   Molon Labe'! In the Chevron and all other in the back side....

 ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???


I'll know better when I have a proto-type...


Rich




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Offline KentuckyRifle

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Re: The 300! The 1st 300 FSW Moving Members
« Reply #72 on: October 11, 2009, 06:22:07 PM »
Looks sharp!
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Re: The 300! The 1st 300 FSW Moving Members
« Reply #73 on: October 11, 2009, 06:33:03 PM »
Very nice Rich. 

Maybe someday I'll get to Wyoming. 8)

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Re: The 300! The 1st 300 FSW Moving Members
« Reply #74 on: October 11, 2009, 11:30:17 PM »
Rich, you have a great idea. Sign me up . I want one.  The Thermopylae reference is brilliant.
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